# Episode 22 - Midlife, Menopause & Reclaiming Your Energy

- Podcast: GenX Adulting Podcast
- Published: 2025-03-04T00:00:00.000Z
- Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2398379/episodes/16728653-episode-22-midlife-menopause-reclaiming-your-energy.mp3
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- People: Brian Barker (host), Nicole Barker (host)

## Summary

In this episode, the hosts discuss the journey of women reclaiming their energy as they navigate midlife and menopause. They emphasize that this process is not solely driven by hormonal changes but also involves personal growth and the courage to prioritize oneself.

## Key takeaways

- Reclaiming energy is a multifaceted journey, not just tied to menopause.
- Estrogen levels influence women's emotional resilience and nurturing tendencies.
- Gen X women are more vocal about their experiences compared to previous generations.
- Men often lack awareness of the emotional changes women face during midlife.
- Communication between partners is crucial for navigating midlife transitions.
- Women are increasingly finding strength and inspiration from their children.
- Social media provides a supportive network for women reclaiming their energy.

## FAQ

### What does it mean for women to reclaim their energy?

Reclaiming energy refers to women taking control of their lives and prioritizing their needs, especially during midlife and menopause, often after years of focusing on family and others.

### How do hormonal changes affect women during menopause?

As estrogen levels decline during menopause, women may experience changes in emotional resilience and nurturing behaviors, which can lead to a reevaluation of their priorities and relationships.

### Why is communication important during midlife transitions?

Effective communication helps partners understand each other's experiences and needs, which is essential for navigating the challenges of midlife and maintaining a supportive relationship.

### How can social media support women in midlife?

Social media provides a platform for women to connect, share experiences, and find support from others going through similar challenges, helping them feel less isolated.

### What role do children play in women's journey of reclaiming energy?

Many women draw inspiration and strength from their children, using their experiences as motivation to prioritize their own needs and reclaim their energy.


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## Transcript

[Music]
welcome to genx adulting and today Brian
and I are going to delve a little bit
more into the concept of women
reclaiming their energy as they hit
midlife or is it only when they hit
midlife are there other situations
that you know
can uh you can say a woman is reclaiming
her energy so we'll touch on that a
little bit and I think we did a few
episodes with some guests and and um
discussed the whole reclaiming women
reclaiming their energy concept and the
feedback we got I thought was very
interesting on our socials on our
listening
platforms and so we thought pretty
visceral in general yeah a lot yeah yeah
a lot
um the the one thing I wanted to start
off with which I found so interesting
was a lot of women came in saying oh
that feeling you have of reclaiming your
energy that's per
menopause and although I do agree that
per
menopause um could be a tool or a
catalyst in a
situation I hesitate to attribute a
woman reclaiming her energy to par
menopause or menopause because I think
it diminishes it and I think it's you
could um end up in a situation where
women say um people say women are
emotional because they have their period
so I think you have to be careful when
you um discuss per menopause and
menopause along with women reclaiming
their energy because many women are
choosing to take on an entirely New
Journey A New Path
and prioritize themselves and that is so
much more than hormones I'm not saying
hormones are not changing during that
time they are um and I think as a result
women get very tired of dealing with the
same
shit but it takes a lot of courage and
um a lot of strength to completely
change the trajectory of your own life
and so to say it's per menopause or
menopause I just
I just think it's more than that why why
do you why do you think it the peram
menopause or menopause is driving that
as a catalyst like a from a hormonal
shift is
it is it there's this buildup of
activity because some of the commentary
we've had with some of our guests is
around life events and then it's not
just hormonal but there is a hormonal
angle there right from what you're
saying right now what we've seen from
the commentary what what's happening
there why is that because as a guy and
as male listeners we'd probably love to
know might be able to adjust a little
bit you mean the hormonal part of it
yeah yeah yeah um well estrogen goes
down and so estrogen is a hormone that
um typically is what helps women feel
maternal nurturing you know they want to
take care of their children their family
their tolerance for the extra crap is
much higher because of the estrogen
so prior to per menopause or menopause
your tolerance for nonsense is
hormonally um supported supported yeah
it's a good word yeah yeah I I would say
so I'm not an expert I'm not a doctor
yeah um but from the little bit I know
about this from my research I that's a
great way to put it I think that
estrogen has it's in some ways it might
be like a little gaslighter that allows
us to put up with crap we normally
wouldn't put up with if our head was
clear so but it allows us to take those
steps to then get married and have
children and have a higher tolerance so
once we hit midlife and we hit per
menopause and menopause and that
estrogen dip
dips it's like almost a veil is lifted
and that's why I say it is a tool as a
woman is reclaiming her energy it is it
helps
it's a catalyst it's a support as much
as estrogen supports Us in those years
of nurturing lack of it supports us as
we reclaim our energy so it's very
interesting if you think about it it's a
really vital hormone with or without it
a
woman can accomplish so much with
estrogen she can have children she can
be nurturing and raise those children
for women who want children we get a lot
of comments about
you know a lot of women have chosen not
to and that's totally fine but then
without it it helps gives give her the
strength to prioritize herself and make
decisions for just her and not worry
about everyone else because especially
when a woman is a mother her first
thought is always her children first and
then typically her husband typically the
whole family and she is last it really
goes that way and so when you go through
per menopause and menopause that dip in
estrogen definitely helps women flip
that this is what when I was saying the
game has changed the game has changed
yes and take note of it guys because the
game has changed women's estrogen levels
are dropping and apparently we're in
trouble yes but again it's not just that
because that's like saying when girls
start to get their period oh they're
emotional once a month oh that's why
their feelings are hurt yeah and it's
not well but it's on the same level cuz
as guys that is a reality and you need
to be more sensitive sensitive is a good
word um so this awareness of reducing or
dropping estrogen levels leading to
behavioral changes if you're aware I had
no clue so I've taken some lumps here
right um in other guys out there too but
it's something that's not really talked
about and all of a sudden it's here and
the other thing we talked about on this
was the generational shift my mom went
through this your m went through and it
was just like they were silent about it
like oh I don't know I'm just I'm hot
and now as gen
xers you guys are you girls are handling
it differently I think and it's a
paradigm shift 100% so and we've also
had some comments about people saying oh
the my grandma and and her her mother
and all that they went through it what's
the big deal and it's like yeah they
went through it silently they they were
grinding through it or they just it was
something they viewed they had to get
through and everything would be fine but
Gen X women are like no we're going to
talk about this I don't have to just get
through this I'm not going to stop
thriving because I'm in menopause or per
menopause I'm going to figure out a way
to not only continue thriving but I'm
going to kick ass and that's Gen X I
think that we were like we're going to
support each other we're going to
trailblaze for the younger generations
and then per menopause and menopause
should be discussed just as much as when
uh girls get um their periods for the
first time and go through all those
hormonal changes or when boys go through
hormonal changes it it should be per
menopause and menopause should be talked
about as openly as anything else that
has to do with women and then I think a
lot of
relationships would survive longer but
I'm not saying though I'm not saying
that divorces happen because of per
menopause and menopause but I do think
it's
interesting it's a good it's a sign if a
partner if the if as a woman if the man
in your life is not noticing those
changes you're going through and at
least saying hey are you okay or what's
going on with you and just kind of
letting her
flounder and as she slowly you know it's
getting harder and harder for her to do
some things she doesn't know why because
there's a lot of symptoms to per
menopause and menopause physical and
mental so it's really how connected are
the couple how where is the man to what
his partner is going
through yeah I mean that's a fascinating
concept
because we all evolve I'm going to get
killed but because you you've gone
through it and you've said this or that
and and it's like oh okay okay and then
it feels like at some point the shit
kind of hits the fan in some respects
not so much with us I don't I don't
think we've had that moment um not yet
at least right not yet but um in other
situations that we've seen or heard that
we've had feedback on or commentary on
this on the socials um they've not
there's not been a connection and and
all of a sudden it's like the the the
the woman is had enough and and it does
lead to some drastic changes and the
guys are shocked that from what I've
seen the guys out there are shocked um
this is all interesting and fascinating
to me I find it to be one of our most
fascinating topics because the response
is like I say is so visceral and and and
widespread um and as guys we're not
equipped you know I would love we need
we and we do have a boomer male Boomer
gu coming on soon and I would love to
get some feedback from some guys ahead
of me they're a little older right some
Boomers whose wives have gone through
this or Partners have gone through this
and were they vocal but they
collectively kept it quiet or you know
how did that what are the Dynamics there
because you guys are way more vocal and
the Millennials are are way more vocal
right so there's more we've talked about
that women the the millennial couples
seem to communicate better yeah further
along or from an earlier stage and I
think as gen xers we we kind of have
grown into this this but you you as genx
women you guys are reclaiming your
energy you're unpackaging things you're
you're being more independent maybe
stronger stronger willed right and and
it's a shock to the male system to be
honest with I love I will I love that
you call unpacking and packaging I will
always unpacking
unpacking I'm packaging my trauma um
these are foreign concepts for me I know
I know well it's interesting because you
you wonder does per menopause and
menopause expose men to how they've been
as a partner because if you're not
seeing your wife or your girlfriend
whatever your partner if you aren't
seeing her and it's very easy right we
all go through we fall into our roles
we've talked about this we raise
children um we're working and all that
stuff right so if you stop seeing your
partner then are you going to notice
the changes she's going through is she's
going through per menopause are you
going to pick up on the nuances how much
are you paying attention to your wife
and so if you've been kind of ignoring
her in some ways through most of your
relationship and you guys have you've
just been grinding but really not seeing
her as a woman this whole time and then
she has that dip in estrogen and she's
like you know what I'm tired of not
being seen it's my time time and that's
where I think the change happens in the
relationship and and I can tell you from
a lot of uh our listeners what I've
heard is a lot of women decide to
divorce yeah you know what we've seen
too is a lot of the men are really
pissed really pissed about that
and we've seen some really harsh
comments too I think around that how the
woman's being selfish or self centered
or whatever that commentary is right
it's completely triggered men yeah
totally and I and I but again I'm I got
to stand up for the men here in in just
in
the maybe it's an ignorance maybe to
your point it's it it could be an
ignorance level I don't know if I don't
know if men are neglecting their wives
or not paying attention but there's that
that you know I'm going to get killed
but you say you know I feel weird about
this I feel weird about that and then
all of a sudden it's like it's really
weird and and the shit hits the fan and
you take action and the man is like well
wait what when did it elevate and and I
think that's happening and men are
getting caught off guard and are pissed
but I think they're getting caught off
guard because she's been saying
something yeah for a while and they are
have not been listening you know you
know what though if I think in this is
the difference if it's medical meaning
if you had a cut men could sympath
sympathize with a cut you broke your arm
that's tangible right the emotional side
I don't know if we're as you know it's
that's different it's sort of like
mental illness and I'm not this is not
an equivalence between your hormonal
shifts and your emotions and Mental
Illness but mental illness is sort of
that silent disease right it's not as
visible if you have a limp you're like
oh what happened to your leg if your
arm's in a sling what happened to your
arm but the the mental illness is silent
unless it it's expressed somehow so I
think from male perspective is it's not
as easy to see it's not tangible and and
I'm not defending men I'm I'm I'm
bringing up a perspective because I know
there's plenty of assholes out there
I've been an asshole at times and I've
definitely ignored certain things but it
there's just a shift no I mean I think
what you're saying is interesting
because like there's silent diseases
right like thyroid disease um there's
people that have long Co that's a silent
disease so um and menopause and per
menopause is not a disease but in a lot
of ways it is it can be silent in the
way it affect and it's Insidious right
it's slow it's a change it's an entire
entirely hormonal shift in a woman and
it's huge and okay to your point it's
not discussed enough in society so men
have not been prepared let me ask you
this because this has been a Hot Topic
the whole Perry menopause and menopause
thing I think even haly Barry was on
Drew Barrymore show today talking about
this look at you I didn't even know that
I saw it on Yahoo I see how in touch I
am
um it's just the more verbal
conversation that's happening amongst
women Gen X yeah they're both Gen X both
those women you just mentioned are Gen X
yeah but you guys are talking about you
talk about with your girlfriends May
young girls night out oh my God this or
that and then you come home and like
whoa what okay so you're talking about
it whereas women before you probably
didn't talk about it yeah they didn't
because even with my mom you know it
would it would just be like it's just
menopause or what like she she didn't
talk about it a lot but it when we did
talk about it or if I asked about it it
was like it's just menopause but it's so
much more than that like it's not
honored what women go through is not
being honored and at least again to go
back to men at least men have been
raised like it's taught in school girls
are going to get their period this is
what happens and so you guys at least
know even coming out of Middle School
what happens to a girl you can't fully
understand the impact of it all but you
understand you you you get physically
what's going on menopause is not
discussed and so you get married or you
end up with a partner you go through
your 20s together your 30s together and
then she goes through this shift that's
just as big as when she when went
through her hormonal shift as a pre-teen
teenager but no one's talked to anyone
about it so these men are like have no
idea what's going on and then in so many
instances the women don't either because
for Gen X women our grandmothers and
mothers didn't talk about it not in any
extent they could educate us so we're
learning about it for the first time
right mhm and then if you it dep that's
what I'm saying does it expose your
partner because then if you do try to
talk to your partner about it and if he
isn't supportive or doesn't listen or
doesn't take you seriously that's
exposing him as a partner well and
counter to that if you're now talking
about it you bring it home to us me mik
right and we talk about it I'm not
equipped you meaning so if you go out on
girls night you guys talk about it
whatever you're talking about you guys
all come home with your
your your your nuggets of information on
perom menopause you're comparing notes
and then now all of a sudden you're
sharing this stuff with us it's like
whoa whoa okay okay but I think that
that's first of all we're not out all
talking about guys are doing trust me
when we're out at girls night we're not
that's not our main focus but um but yes
we are talking when it comes up we do
whatever yeah yeah well we are
researching it you know and yes when we
get together sometimes times we are
talking about it but that's not the only
thing but so if we come home or we do
some research and we share it with you
with the men in our lives are you saying
men aren't capable of understanding the
little words coming out of our mouth no
what I'm saying it's not on our radar
we're looking at other things ah so
you're not fully listening no no not
saying that if you speak and we listen
it's like whoa this is a foreign topic I
was thinking about maybe the football
school I'm going to stereotype it's not
accur but the maybe the football scores
or the you know the baseball scores
whatever whatever it is we're thinking
about menopause is not on the the bingo
card okay but the woman in your life is
going through a huge change in her life
yep and is telling the men in her life
about it trying to yep and they are not
giving it the respect it deserves I
don't I'm not saying that what I'm
saying is it's new information it's new
information so it's it's I'm hearing you
but what do I know about menopause
beyond what you're telling me about
menopause and what it means to you
biologically I'm learning it for the
first time I'm not out Googling
menopause until you raise the topic so
we're coming to it IL equipped but at
the same time this is another pattern
that's happened I think in in what we I
don't mean to point my finger but
um women know women are thinking
and experiencing things and then
they come to their partner with it so in
some ways but I'll make it specific the
divorce conversations we've had right
women know women know two three years in
advance before they take action so you
know you're in this menopause phase
because things are happening differently
biologically whatever it is I don't know
maybe your hair's thinning or whatever
the the symptoms I've told you some
symptoms yeah but I'm not I don't want
to go into the okay right I'm being
respectful of the symptoms okay um but
these things are happening to you and
you guys are thinking about it like whoa
that was kind of weird and then then you
start to make sense of it I'm in Perry
of menopause okay now this Enlightenment
happens you bring it to their male
partner who's not been experiencing
these things and now to just catch up
and understand at such a deep emotional
level that youve you have all
contemplated that right I think that's
what's happening because you're really
contemplating what's going on the
biological shift in your bodies you've
had time to think about it truly
experience it and then to articulate it
to a man and expect them to understand
right away be sympathetic empathetic and
supportive we need time I think so it's
a shift I think it's interesting that
you just said right away because I think
by default women know that no man is
going to understand anything right away
and that we have to explain things
repeatedly for days weeks months and
years of our life to get the most simple
concept to be understood so if we were
going to bring menopause to in our life
I think in a lot of ways um when it
comes to interpersonal relationships
with women men do act like cavemen
because I think that I think they put in
the work in the Chase and then when they
get the woman they do what they think
needs to be done to keep her but I think
they are naturally hesitant to do much
more than that and here's the woman that
needs more than that but again life is
distracting with children and um all the
things that go along with raising a
family and working and all the things
and then she reaches a point usually
again midlife and a lot of that could be
that estrogen dip but not all of it and
she's like look I've been trying to say
I want this for a very long time and if
you're not going to listen to me I don't
want to be with you anymore and then the
man who feels like he's been doing what
needs to be
done and and required of him is shocked
and triggered yeah and gets mad yeah I
don't I don't totally disagree with you
to be honest with you yeah I think women
need more from relationships and I think
they spend a good part of their
relationship fighting to get that from
the men in their lives now I'm not
saying there aren't wonderful perfect
men out there we've had listeners
comment and and they sound like they
have amazing relationships and that's
awesome and I will say that if you are
not friends with your husband or your
partner your quality of a relationship
definitely will be affected I think that
friendship is is incredibly important
because it builds in a respect but even
then um I think that that women um
devote a significant amount of time
especially in the first half of let's
say a
marriage trying to get the men in their
lives to understand what's important to
them and what they need before they're
easily distracted with all the other
responsibilities and I think that men
feel they're doing enough I think men
decide I'm doing enough and then they're
fine with that they almost have the
attitude
of I'm doing enough and if she's not
happy whatever she'll leave like if this
is it this is the most I can do I don't
know I know I'm generalizing I'm not
saying all men but I think I feel like
in general men are like what more do you
want from
me yeah yeah I don't know I mean like do
you think I like I'll go back to the the
I
we we play different roles probably in
in meaning not just men but men and
women in a relationship marriage a
partnership um there's just different
roles roles that evolve not saying
they're good bad or indiff but roles
evolve that allow you to to move forward
as a unit right so and those roles are
important whatever those roles are agree
on that and so yeah I don't know I mean
but somewhere in there something gets
lost for a lot of
women somewhere in there but something
probably gets lost for a lot of men as
well and that could be very true yeah
that could be very true the thing I'm
trying to wrap my head around is and I'm
racking my brain maybe you'll know you
you're you're pretty dialed in on this
but you're talking about the shift for
women hormonally there's another one for
men too right our testosterone levels go
down yeah there's other things happening
I don't know what they are per se I feel
like I'm the same guy now as I was 20
years ago I feel great but there's
there's there's got to be things
happening I don't know no no men men I
think that's why a lot of men also go
through midlife crisis because I think
that they have a hormonal shift yes I
have and you you know what I have not
done any research on men and their hor
hormonal change and that's that's not
fair um because I should because I'm in
a relationship but that but that's sort
of my question I'm I feel like I'm
steady Edie on this one do you really I
I'm steady Edie that's interesting no my
point is I don't feel like I've actually
I know I have I've had diff a
perspective change and we've talked
about that once you hit like 50 it's
like okay feel pretty good what's next I
got I kind of mastered this so far what
do we want to do right and men are
reclaiming their own energy in a
different way I guess right um but I
don't feel like we have I guess
biologically we just don't have that
same mix hormonally may you know
testosterone levels dip I guess but yeah
they do and and I think I think okay so
my maybe less energy but I think okay I
think men more cranky I do and I and I'm
not saying that in a funny way I think
men as they get older that's fascinating
they get more cranky you guys do too
then and maybe both are hormonal based
yeah because what you're describing you
know we've been talking about the
menopause param menopause the hormonal
pce so far but if you shift it over to
the just hey we've had enough you know
men too are like we've had enough and
there's you say you cranky for us and
maybe that's fair maybe you're more
cranky too and you're like fuck this you
guys I'm done with your shit and I'm I'm
moving on one
packaging but what I mean when I say
cranky like for about little things like
you guys get I feel like as men get
older they get really worked up over
like that whole Boomer uh the Boomer
like get off my lawn you yeah maybe yeah
I think there's a general like you know
like don't sweat the small stuff I think
when men hit a certain age they start
sweating all the small stuff and they
get real edgy about like things that
it's like why why you so worried about
that but maybe that is hormonal based
maybe that's that testosterone dip and
they're just more edgy or I don't know
need like a Doctor Drew yeah I know
right so I don't know but I think so to
go back I do think per menopause and
menopause the timing see but okay per
menopause can start as early as like I
think 35 and then go all the way through
to like 55 or older so you really can't
talk you wonder why you wonder why we're
cranky that's why we're cranky but that
doesn't necessarily it's not necessarily
a negative thing like as women go
through the shift if they have the right
support I'll keep the camera off me
while I roll my eyes no it's true though
if they feel that's supported and
understood it can really bring
down it can really soften the blow I
guess but no my point is is though to
attribute um reclaiming your energy to
per menopause or menopause you're
talking like a 20e span you can't you
can't say it's because of that I'm sorry
now again it can be a tool it can be a
catalyst it can be a support but there's
women that are that are reclaiming their
energy from some very serious
circumstances and that is more from
strength and courage than I think a
hormonal change so that that was to go
back to where I saw a lot of people
saying reclaiming your energy is just
because you're in per menopause and it's
like it is not just because of that it
that might be part of the narrative but
you you shouldn't belittle at saying
that's why if that makes sense yeah yeah
I'm I'm curious what do you think the
other catalyst is in terms of just being
done I we've talked about that you're
just done and and you're ready to walk
away and it's takes a lot of Courage
right you've been married for x amount
of years or with someone for x amount of
years you've got kids you've got this
life built and you're almost like I'm
done I'm willing to just take the risk
and go figure out a new life lifestyle
or yeah you know carve A New Path what I
you know it's a f i find that
fascinating truthfully I mean I'm sure
Generations before us did that of women
but not not in I think not as loudly and
that's more genx I think you think that
social media that makes it loud or and
there somewhat of an echo chamber or is
it just you know maybe they're just
willing to kind of wear that Banner or
badge a little bit more visibly or I
mean I definitely think there is no
there is not a stigma to it although a
lot of men on social media would say
there is but I think women are very
supportive of other women as they if
they need to get a divorce or walk away
from a relationship you know they have
the support of the W of the other women
in their lives um Society is way more
accepting of that than it ever has been
um so but as far as social media I think
social media has created a larger um
spiderweb of support for women they
don't feel so alone because you have to
remember there's a lot of women that
live
in not in urban areas you know and they
don't have as many other women around
them or women their age or women they
can talk to there's a lot of lonely
women there's a lot of women that are
lonely in a marriage being lonely in a
marriage or in a relationship is 10
million times worse than being lonely
alone it's a it's it is a monster and
there's a lot of women out there in that
situation so a lot of men too we learned
that right not to I don't think it's at
the same quantity by any stretch of the
imagination but there's some guys out
there express the same they could relate
to the the quote unquote women's plight
in that sense right they're done and
they're feel like they're in this
they're lonely in their marriages or
relationships or whatever yeah it was a
much smaller percentage but yes of
course this can this can go both ways
but in general
I think I think social media has offered
these women a support system that they
wouldn't normally have well to your
point if you're in a in a rural area or
less urban
area and you're on social media you can
find your your tribe in a sense right
you can find your support system so in
that way I think women are more
empowered than ever that as they as they
go through their Journey or reclaim
their energy or try to figure out their
next step un package package so um but I
do think as far as being
done I think for
genx
women we've always we've been taking
care of
ourselves since we were like five seven
like we were the latch key kids so we've
been going going going since we were
little kids
and saying whenever we want and not
having a filter and sticking up for
ourselves and fighting for ourselves and
so I think by the time we got have got
into midlife we have no fears of
vocalizing where we're coming from
and we have no problem saying we're not
going to take this anymore and walking
away from it and so I think our
generation is doing it more loudly than
ever than any other generation for sure
you know it actually as you're saying
that what it it makes me feel like
you're you know there's that statement
of do as I say not as I do right that's
sort of my parenting style um but I
think you're almost doing as you say you
tell your daughters be strong you tell
your sons right Gen X women and Gen X
parents you can go do anything that's
our message to the kids right well
that's why gen Z is the way they are
yeah you go and do whatever you want and
be a good person but whatever you think
you want to do you can do it feels like
you guys are almost taking your own
advice your the kids have kind of left
they've grown up a little bit and you're
finally saying you know what I'm going
to follow the advice I've given my kids
no it's a really good point because I
think especially genx women with our
daughters we've tried to we've raised
them to be the young women we wish we
could have been like I look at my own
daughter and every day I admire her
because she strong girl well she's just
everything that I would have ever wanted
to be she's everything right so and I'm
not saying that's because of how I
that's me how I raised her um but so
that's her dad she was born you know as
this amazing person and then I
definitely wanted to just keep building
that person up in every way and I never
wanted her to have doubt or self-doubt
that was a big thing I wanted to make
sure that she had that innate belief in
her herself and I'm sure there's a lot
of genx women who have raised their
daughters the same way and their
daughters have become the women they
always wish they could have been and to
your point I think we've done that and
we're like oh well okay now it's we can
do this we do know how to do this so
we're going to do it for ourselves so do
you think then you found strength in our
daughter and you know the girl she's
become and you see how she is and you
see the advice you give
do you think that's given you strength
to reclaim your energy or or you know
become a stronger more
assertive uh self um protective person
type of thing no my daughter is an
inspiration to me inspiration she is
100% an inspiration to me and and she
actually just from things she has said
you know she's a young woman now so
things she has said in conversations
we've had over over the years she she's
um has held me accountable mhm like you
said I've I've raised her in certain
ways and I've said do this do that and
she's held me accountable to I need to
also do that for myself yeah and so yeah
she has inspired me to um prioritize
myself and as much as I prior as I
prioritized her and and showed her how
to prioritize
herself so you know yeah I would say
definitely and I'm sure there's many Gen
X women who feel that way and it's not
just my daughter and my sons too yeah
you know
I yeah I think as we've raised our
children and we've we've raised gen Z
and they're a great generation you know
they the Millennials have completely
carved away for them and jenz is gonna
just run with it but a lot of it's
because they've been raised by Gen X so
do you think then I'd love to hear
feedback on this too but more more from
other folks as well but do you think
other women have you talked to other
women that they've found that same
inspiration and strength from their
children and that's helping Drive things
well here's the funny thing um I'm I'm
the old mom I know we used to be the
young parents now we're the old parents
cuz so yeah um so I'm
we have three
kids and my tribe the women in My Tribe
are from our third K the youngest the
youngest I those are my friends their
kids are my youngest our youngest sons
yeah um H
so yes my I I had um Mom friends with
our daughter and with our son but my
people showed up with my younger son so
so their kids are still young yeah um
they there are some who their kids have
finally gotten to college but I think
I'm the only one who has kids in their
late 20s and mid 20s out of my my core
group so I haven't had that conversation
yet yeah with a friend you know I I know
that their CH you know their um as they
watch their children grow you know we
talk about how amazing that is but to
get you don't really get to that where
your children you're like wow they they
are holding me accountable and they like
you said like you brought me that point
across of inspiring until I think
they're adults yeah so getting them
there but yeah yeah definitely I've
gotten strength through them there's no
well from the day they were born I got
strength through our kids yeah there's
no question not that I took it took
their energy or or use them for that but
it just I think every most mothers
become well no you I mean as parents you
just operate at a higher level of of
importance I guess completely completely
so what I find interesting though is the
visceral reaction of a lot of the men in
our comment sections um a lot of men
seem very angry that women would have
the gall to reclaim their energy to
prioritize themselves to decide that
they're going to live their lives for
themselves or that they're going to that
they want their needs met and they want
to be seen there are men
that are
literally livid over that and I find
that so interesting I mean I I think
they're exposing themselves um in my
mind it's like okay you're the men that
these women are leaving why would these
women stay in a relationship with
someone like you because if you feel
comfortable putting this out there on
the internet I can't imagine what you
would say to your partner behind closed
doors so whenever I see a man get so
angry in the comments when a woman is
just talking about empowering
herself I I think go for it because
you're just exposing yourself for we're
this is who we're talking about yeah I
have a different response I'm more of
the dude shut shut up that's crazy how
can you write that kind of stuff yeah
the personal attacks on some of the
commentary is is really crazy it is it's
it's you know I'm not a goody goody I'm
a guy guy right I'm I just wouldn't do
that it's crazy no I mean I just think
it's very interesting how easily
triggered these men get and
um I I just think it just it I didn't
expect the visceral reaction I'm shocked
yeah yeah so and and they're just
absolutely offended that women are
deciding to take control of their lives
and make the and they automatically side
with the man they don't even know the
whole story because remember they're
just seeing such a short part of our
podcast
and they do not know the whole story and
they're assuming right away that she's
left her children left her man for no
reason she's woke up one day and decided
I don't want to do this anymore I'm
going to go start a new life and never
giving the woman the benefit of the
doubt I think that's what shocks me the
most is the context of not knowing the
context and automatically attacking say
the messenger yeah and not thinking that
there's probably more to the situation
than what meets the eye yeah and to come
in so hot and assume just the
assumptions made is pretty pretty wild
it's not an intellectual conversation at
all it's it's purely this just anger it
is and I feel like I think there's and I
know I'm not surprised but I am there is
there's definitely a huge M part of the
male population that thinks that women
are there to serve them
like truly thinks that and that when
women decide to start making decisions
for themselves that they're going
against some unspoken law or something
like that's how they almost respond and
if do you know any men like this in your
personal life like that act like this
that would that would that talk about
women in derogatory ways it feel
comfortable doing
that no not not that I can think of no
because I feel like there is men there
are men that get together and when
they're hanging out they they talk they
do talk shit about women there's a good
amount of men that don't like women
there's a good amount of men that hate
women but they still want to have sex
with them and that's really all they
want I mean I I get the perspective
because I've been around it and I won't
generalize the type of guy I don't want
to insult people that are you know
but meaning it's you
know if it's a profession or a type of
that kind of thing you I mean I don't
want to I'm not going to cast them all
into a same bucket but um there's
definitely out there yeah you see it you
know there's men that don't yeah there's
men that don't like women yeah well I
don't know if it's that they don't like
women there but no I think there's it's
more a respect thing I think than it is
a a like versus you know it's more
respect Maybe than it is like so I think
there's men that have never had a woman
as a friend and I think there's a lot of
men who are not friends with their wife
that only see their wife as a mother and
a domestic partner I I do I think
there's a lot of men here's my
hesitation is it there's there's just
all types of different people so what I
feel like and what we've seen is a very
small sample
right it's not like every it's it's just
a small sampling whatever quantity of
responses it is and the scheme of
responses it's it's extremely small yeah
and there's just I think there's a lot
of dynamics that go into all of this
stuff we we we've some of the commentary
has just come from maybe the lowest the
lower lowest denominator of people true
right there's a lot of men that that see
stuff and just keep moving along that's
how I am and you just don't post and you
just don't chime in for some reason some
of the content that we've shared around
women reclaiming their energy or or just
having enough and walking away it struck
a chord with a very small minority of
men but that very small minority of men
is very vocal and very V vicious and
quite frankly over the top but I don't
think by any stretch of the imagination
you
can you know extrapolate that out to
this is all men a very and I know you're
not saying that but I just it's a small
amount of people in the scheme of things
no you're right you're right I I but I
still do I agree with everything you
just said and I definitely don't think
it's all men my gosh like I most of the
men I know most of the men I know are
awesome and my sons are awesome their
friends are awesome so um no I'm I I do
think though I do think the concept of
being friends with your wife and truly
respecting her as a person for some men
is a foreign concept that they that they
marry her because she'll be a domestic
partner and a mother but I don't know if
they I don't know I don't know if I I
you might be generalizing I don't know I
said some men yeah but I think people
get married for all types of different
reasons and then once you whatever your
marriage is whatever that started as it
evolves into whatever it evolves into
right we've started as best friends
we're we're we've maintained a
friendship but we're now we're just
parents as well we're not just but you
know what I'm saying honestly if you
think about it we started as best
friends and became life Partners who
happen to raise three kids yeah so it's
changed no I know but but I think that
like you just said it that friendship is
there always oh 100% yeah no I think
it's critical I don't disagree with that
yeah but I don't think see that was
necessary for me to be friends with
whoever I married that was
necessary same for the compatibility
yeah okay but I don't know if it is for
all absolutely not that's what I'm
saying that's what I'm saying so and
then okay so take that right if you ha
if you don't have that and then your
partner starts going through major life
change like per
menopause that man is not going to be
there for her in this way he should
because he's never really been her
friend he's been her husband and he's
been the father to her children but he
has not been her friend yeah and that's
where the breakdown happens because
that's when she's like you know what I
want more than this this this I'm not
just I'm not a mom anymore I'm you know
my children are older or whatever if
we're talking about midlife typically or
even if they're not they're like I'm
this isn't enough for me I want more and
that's where I think that that's why I
think some women can walk away so easily
because they're not walking away from a
friendship they're walking away from a
role there's a big difference there yeah
and I I do think a key to Friendship is
empathy and right you're going through
shit and if I can't empathize with you
then that's a problem right that's a
catalyst of I'm I'm out yeah typ of
thing and I think there's a lot of
relationships where that friendship
doesn't exist so that empathy isn't
there that compassion isn't there from
definitely from the man and and so she's
it's not as hard for her to walk away
because she's not walking away
from from this solid friendship
relationship she's just walking away
from a role and she's like I'm not
playing that role anymore yeah yeah and
I think that's what it is I do CU I
think
if I think if the partner will meet you
halfway or take the time to learn what
you're going through and take the time
to see you and by that he's showing you
he respects you and loves you
then I don't think those women divorce
their husbands as they're reclaiming
their energy I think the relationship
evolves and changes you know but I don't
think they're just because you're
reclaiming your energy doesn't mean
you're getting divorced yeah because
there's so many men that will rise to
the occasion well we've seen some
commentary too of women who said we're
working through this yes I've started
reclaiming my energy and my guy is kind
of caught up and we're working through
it he's trying trying because I think
they have that friendship connection
yeah he because it isn't just love right
well okay so when you first get married
you're in love you're infatuated lust
all that stuff but to really have a
lifelong marriage are you just a
partnership you don't want to box it in
Mar no no partnership always yeah
relationship whatever
um you the Love Changes it's like it
goes so much deeper than that and so if
in that situation if she were to come to
him he's going to figure out how to how
to work with her and how to make this
okay because he doesn't want to lose her
and that touches on what I mean and I
got killed for this um that we develop
slower I probably used the wrong choice
of words to say we develop slower
because I don't know if we do I don't
know I mean my thinking on this is
evolving even as we talk about it now
from when we first approached the topic
um but that one person or a few people
who said hey um we're working through
this my guy caught up you know she gave
him the space and time to catch up and
like I say you know you you're out with
your girlfriends and you're at girls
night out and you come back and it's
like we're talking about menopause and
Par menopause it's like whoa I was just
watching a football game right you know
and so it's like I need give me at least
10 minutes right let me wrap my head
around this thing yeah no I think when a
when a woman
actually when divorc or leaving a
relationship is part of her reclaiming
her
energy I think you're talking about
she's been asking for the same thing
from him for years yeah probably and H
and he's he's been pushing her side he's
been kicking the can down the road I'll
deal with this when I have to when she
really seems like she means it that's
when I'll do it and he's missing all the
signs that she means it dude men don't
really when a woman gets quiet is when
you need to worry you know it's funny
cuz in my professional life I've always
told people if you're telling me
something that's important and I'm not
ignoring and I'm ignoring you or I'm not
not ignoring but if I'm not hearing you
you know it's kind of the the proverbial
grab me by the collar and shake me and
say hey this is really important so that
and then and that's sort of that same
thing right it's go through this stuff
and maybe it's not resonating so it's
the grab me by the caller tell me this
shit's real and I don't know if that's
Pro that's may happen maybe it doesn't
happen I don't know I think that though
women do they may you know I really do
think I think it's it can it can be
viewed as
nagging um it can lead to
arguments
um it a lot of men are voided they just
are and so they'll go into a space of
like I don't see you I don't hear you
kind of space um so I think women I
think they've now not all women there's
definitely women that they do not have
good communication skills I was just
going to go there yeah we're picking on
the guys but yeah know there's there's
yes there's women that do not have
there's a lot of women that that don't
know how to communicate their needs um
there's a lot of relationships that
don't have communication and I know it's
like you can't imagine but there's a lot
of relationships that don't have
communication so when if if if a woman
like that if she has not been
communicating and then all of a sudden
she she hits a point in her life and in
your relationship where she's all of a
sudden communicating um that's what
that's also that's that's a huge change
that's that's a over that can be very
overwhelming because it's almost like
she's changed as a person but I don't
know I feel like when you're in a long
relationship you're always evolving
you're always changing you're always
trying to figure out how to stay
connected so then when that not every
relationship is like that though but not
every relationship they function
perfectly fine they seem to but then she
goes through she goes through her
midlife reclaiming her energy not all
women do that though is so that's what
I'm saying this is all new this is all
gamechanging stuff because not all women
go through this and it's fine but then
there's a group that go through it and
it's not fine when it's not fine it's
not fine well it's interesting because
you think are the women that seem fine
maybe those relationships are fine and
maybe he maybe he was listening to her
the whole time and it all just kind of
went good and smooth and there really
wasn't a big moment because he was like
cheering her on on everything she was
doing there was no battle there was no
fight I don't know it's different for
every person but I I will say
that this I'm very very very proud of
Gen X women because it's crazy going
through not only per menopause and
menopause
but also hitting midlife and especially
as a gen xer because we were 30 when we
were
10 and we were we're 30 when we're 50 so
we're just we just have always
been in it going going going grinding in
the thick of it being being Innovative
um just we're an interesting generation
so as we're hitting this mid we're guys
what's that so we're us guys we're
latchy kids yes kids of divorce we're
kids of the silent generation so you
know no but you know what's interesting
is and and I think you and I talked
about this once before is I think genx
men when they were boys they were part
of that generation of you know don't
your emo I don't think um Gen X Men had
the same emotional maturity growth as
genx women because I think your
generation Our Generation told Boys
Don't Cry yep and um if you're feeling
emotions they were not they were not
seen they were not acknowledged um you
guys were just supposed to bury things
and keep going would you say that's
accurate yeah 100% girls cry boys don't
right yeah and so Gen X Men were raised
like that Gen X boys were raised like
that to ignore their emotions genx boys
were raised to ignore their emotions and
so there's an emotional maturity that
was
neglected and so then they get into
relationships and I almost wonder if a
lot of gen Xmen are avoidance well you
know what's interesting you said I know
we talked about this but it just struck
me that we were probably encouraged to
ignore our emotions unless the emotion
was anger and it came out as a fight we
were we were allowed to fight like get
in a fist fight right but you weren't
allowed to cry that's a fascinating very
true it's very true and that may explain
also you know why there's maybe were
maybe these guys that with this this
vital response that's just they're
they've been trained to be assholes
really maybe yeah it could be and maybe
that's why there it's a developed
emotion it's lack of developed emotion
no what I mean is the anger and
expressing it and it's okay to be an
asshole to be aggressive to fight to
that you know I'm not I'm not saying I
was raised that way by any stretch of
the imagination I wasn't really allowed
to fight but I'm just saying it was
socially acceptable if you got a fight
in school it was like all right guys
break it up break it up now it's like
you're kicked out of school for two
weeks or whatever it is right yeah so
it's very different it is very different
it it's so different and it it could
explain why some genx men struggle in
relationships um if their emotional
maturity stops at a certain point or
stopped at a certain certain point it
could explain why um they might struggle
as their partner going through per
menopause or menopause because and a lot
of other things because
they they're they didn't develop
emotionally as they should have through
their um child childhood and their
adolescent years it's truly Pandora's
Box like bury your emotions don't cry oh
yeah yeah yeah yeah and anger is okay
anger is an acceptable emotion for boys
and you were raised around women so I
think I'm I don't know if I I don't know
if I could say anger was an
acceptable thing encouraged for me but
yeah it not encouraged accepted it was
accepted meaning it would be if you came
in angry about something it'd be like
what are you mad about oh but if you
came maybe if you're crying about
something it'd be like come on come on
get it together get it together so I
would say anger was acknowledged I think
my reference point would be more Sports
if I if you got into a shoving match
with someone while in a basketball game
or you had words with someone during a
baseball game or football game it fine
no problem but if you're crying you know
I'm talking about also in the home how
how boys were raised not just their
experiences outside the home how they
were how Gen X boys were raised by their
parents generationally in general anger
would have been a completely normal
reaction but crying wouldn't have been
that would have been that would have
been like I'm not talking about if they
hurt their knee or something although I
think even then I think you will see Gen
X people saying all the time when they
got H it was like suck it up you're fine
I think it was less acceptable to cry
over pain than maybe something some
other emotional event because then you
did our parents weren't that cold right
but it it wasn't like oh he's crying
over this or that to your point it's
like all right get get it together F but
you know it's very interesting but then
you're talking about people checking in
on us in our emotional health I don't
think that was going on I don't know it
it the whole thing is is we got way off
topic on that but I think that that does
go back into um relationships and
marriages and you know I do wonder I
something I'm going to look into is if a
lot of gen Xmen are avoidance and if
that would tie back into um
generationally what was acceptable in
their emot development and what was it
it could all be tied together so you
think I'm avoidant
yes but I'm here to tell women out there
that it is possible to be in a
relationship and married to an avoid
avoidant because I have been for 33
years almost so it is 100% possible so
that's a whole another topic
yeah um but yeah so I think that's I
think think there's a big reclaiming of
energy by Gen X women in midlife I mean
I think that it doesn't necessarily have
to be midlife either Elder Millennial
women could be going through this you
know
honestly if it's time to make a change
um and women have the the energy to do
it a lot of times you're in the midst of
raising children so you don't but go for
it I didn't I didn't get to that point
so I got into my 50s so I turned 50
but and I think that's true for a lot of
a lot of women at least definitely Gen X
women all right
so going back to that you're we've kind
of gone in a few angles here right the
per menopause the menopause just being
the Gen X drawing inspiration from your
kids yeah
um the other piece and I always get it
wrong but the unpacking or
unpackaging right you guys finally hit
this phase where you're like why am I so
fucked up or why have these thoughts
unpacking our trauma unpacking your
trauma right yeah so there's what's
going on there cuz that's happening too
well I think and this is really a public
service question for all the men out
there because if there's the women are
done because they've reached the AR
metop estrogen level no but I'm just
saying there's this cocktail of
activities that's a good way to put this
other this other front is the you're
you're dealing with that the trauma yeah
and that having thoughts and behaviors
and wom yeah you guys are thinking you
got to
stop um I think that and I've said this
in another episode um and just like you
said like our generation latchkey kids
um we all had our own trauma for
whatever reason then a lot of us got
married had kids and raise those kids
and tried to create the childhood that
we didn't have tried to be the best
parents we could could be and be
completely present with our kids so that
requires a lot of energy and time um and
so I think when we hit
midlife we finally had the time to
unpack we weren't running as much
through life anymore we slowed down we
downshifted um we started to not be in
fight or flight anymore because I think
a lot of genx are have been in fight ORF
flight since our childhood and um I
think with when you slow down and you
stop it forces you to look around
acknowledge your trauma and the stuff
that you need to resolve and we finally
had the time because a lot of our
children are older we're not as Hands-On
with our kids anymore and we can give
some of that time to
ourselves and um so that's why I think a
lot of the unpacking of trauma is
happening and as a result it's helping
us get to know ourselves even better and
honor
ourselves and honor our younger self
we're honoring our younger selves
because and for so many of us
like no one was doing that for us you
know or or or even if somebody was it
was it wasn't enough or it wasn't done
in the way it was supposed to
so I think that's what it is we finally
have the time there is a lot of stuff
going on for Gen x-woman in midlife we
are taking the time to unpack our trauma
and then also reclaim clim our energy
you we're almost like
superheroes finding all of our
superpowers you know these Powers we
didn't know we had and then there there
is your per menopause menopause you know
to as another I find it inter that is it
is it is there's very much a gener
generational component here and the the
um similar backgrounds of women feeling
feral and on their own and it's not it's
just seems like this Universal Gen X
type of thing it's find it interesting
yeah it's I have found it amazing and
you know I felt I've also felt
heartbreak for how many women have gone
through a lot of hard times and
suffering and but I found so much joy as
they are um navigating their new lives
their new Journeys that's scary it's
scary to especially if you're divorcing
or you're leaving a relationship that
you've been in but for so many of these
women that relationship was holding them
down it was a burden and so they're
really free for the first time oh and
that's what's cool that I've seen is
that you know the optimism of yeah I
should have done this years ago and I
didn't but I'm excited because I've got
this new lease on life which is cool you
know it's cool for people because our
lives you know at our age I I don't know
how much longer we'll live I'm hoping
that you know it's a long time but we're
we're got a lot of living to do yeah a
ton no and and again I think that's also
a lot of it we've talked about this
where you you face your mortality and
you realize life is finite and so you're
like well what am I going to do I'm GNA
if I'm going to do it I better do it now
yeah and if somebody's holding you back
from that you're going to ditch that
person because they don't have your best
interests and that you know what that
doesn't necessarily always mean a
partner
that can be friends too MH you know a
lot of times friends the friends who
aren't clapping as you succeed or
clapping as you walk by those aren't
your friends and especially at this
point in life there's no time or energy
for friends that are not cheering you on
no matter you know no matter what you're
doing they should be at this point in
life they should just be cheering you on
yeah and supporting you so but I you
know I know this episode was a lot about
what men you know men and seems negative
about I feel it's like we've bashed the
men tried to put up a good
front I mean it's that a lot of feedback
we've seen yeah H has tied to that but
there are a lot of really good guys out
there there really are and um I think
you had a really good point the ones
that are out there spewing and
projecting their crap yeah
that's that's not the norm no it's a
very small it's it's not a
representation yeah there's a lot of
good guys out there and I think there's
a lot of good guys that are supporting
their women as they're going through
their whole new phase of life but there
also are a lot of women who put up with
a lot of shit and are done so it's yeah
yeah I know and and I so I think it's I
think it's exciting I think it's an
empowering movement and I do think it's
like women finding their superpowers and
I I love that it's being discussed and
talked about and so as Millennial women
head into this there's some sort of
blueprint and it's normal again if we
could just all talk about this normally
because it is a big big part of women's
lives I think that that would be a big
change and I think that would help
Relationships by default it becomes a
big part of a guy's life if you're in a
relationship right and it's wild I never
thought this would be a topic I have any
real curiosity or interest in but it is
impact I had no idea that menopause or
per menopause was around the corner for
me and what was in store for me I had no
idea and if I would have known I could
have been even more proactive than I've
been but as a couple we could have
started communicating about what's that
would have been great what's ahead for
me we could we could have been
communicating about it and they it just
I think for relationships it would be
very helpful if this was all discussed
more openly so that the partners had an
opportunity to be a support
system you know feel like you need to
take on a homework assignment and figure
out what's happening with men at the
biological level besides the obvious
like lower testosterone or or whatever
but there's I'm curious what the male
equivalent is I I may or may not look it
I don't know I I don't know if there is
a male doesn't know because in the past
they were called a midlife crisis and
the men would usually leave their wives
and get a girlfriend yeah but what is
that I don't you tell me you're a man I
don't know I know I'm sitting here
talking about menopause and reclaiming
and unpackaging and shit so that's
because you're one of the good guys I
guess not always but most of the time um
but yeah like what is that where men
they trade in their wives for a younger
version that's the whole concept right
what is that
I don't know is it always for a younger
version or just a different version
right it's I mean I don't know that's
that's one and the same I guess but I
guess I mean you know what I mean yeah a
different version a new
version but that's been that's been
common for
forever so what is that in men that
makes them drop their family for a
younger version It's you girls on
packaging
packaging no but it's for real is that
is that that hormonal based is that more
than just them being an
asshole CU there there are men that will
walk away from their families and a
marriage yeah for a girl that's 20 years
younger than them I think it's ego I
think it's because these women these
young
women don't see them yet for what they
are and so the men can be anything they
want to be for these naive women where
their wives no
yeah I don't know it's like a fairy they
can live in a fairy tale land I don't
know yeah I don't know and I'm
generalizing but that is a phenomenon
yeah so what is that you know is it as
simple as just infidelity I don't know I
don't know have to do a topic on that so
that's our homework is to uh study the
hormonal changes in men and does that if
there are any that are really that
impactful yeah I don't know and does
that help them as they disconnect and
leave their families
for a new model I don't
know you're not saying anything I I just
don't know you I truly don't know I I
don't even know if I've seen it per se
yet amongst my peer group the people I
associate with or know I'm not aware of
of that that happening but you do go out
around here at all there's plenty of old
guys with girls younger than and our
daughters oh yes right they're rolling
up in their Maseratis or their Bentley
or whatever it might be yes the sugar
daddy we see it all the time it's super
common down here in South Florida yeah
it's part of our culture it's part of
the culture yeah yeah an American
phenomenon maybe not just American but
yeah no I don't I don't know I don't
know that's there's a whole world out
there like that so yeah but maybe their
wives reclaim their energy and them out
maybe so but anyways that's our little
dissection of our whole reclaiming women
reclaiming their
energy um concept that we've been kind
of covering a little bit here and there
with our different guests and uh We've
we actually have loved and really
enjoyed reading everyone's comments the
good and the bad I won't say I enjoyed
the the really bad ones but it's been
interesting it's been very eye openening
and I find it fascinating
yeah as a guy I find it fascinating the
collective experience and frustration
and the the I guess just the experience
of it all for women your age and younger
and a little bit older yeah fascinating
y i I think it's I think it's something
that again we're all going to just start
talking about more and more and I think
the Millennials should take it and run
that's my advice please so um we
continue to welcome your
comments and any questions
throw it at us and um we will see what
what comes of it if if there's some more
Enlightenment going forward on this
topic so thank you for listening all
right and we'll see you next time bye
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