# Episode 46 - Overdevelopment and the SAVE BOCA Movement

- Podcast: GenX Adulting Podcast
- Published: 2025-09-09T19:00:00.000Z
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- People: Brian Barker (host), Nicole Barker (host)

## Summary

In this episode, the hosts discuss the ongoing controversy surrounding the proposed development of 31 acres of public land in Boca Raton, which includes Memorial Park dedicated to World War II veterans. They express concerns about the potential loss of community spaces, increased traffic, and the impact of overdevelopment on the town's character.

## Key takeaways

- The proposed development threatens 31 acres of public land, including Memorial Park.
- Memorial Park was dedicated to World War II veterans in 1947 and holds historical significance.
- There are concerns about the destruction of old growth banyan trees as part of the development.
- Local residents are advocating for a vote on the development plan to ensure community input.
- The city council has been accused of misleading the public about the nature of the redevelopment.
- Traffic congestion in Boca Raton is already a significant issue, which could worsen with new developments.
- The episode highlights the importance of community involvement in local government decisions.

## FAQ

### What is the SAVE BOCA movement?

The SAVE BOCA movement is a local initiative aimed at preserving public land in Boca Raton, specifically opposing the development of Memorial Park and advocating for community involvement in local government decisions.

### Why is Memorial Park significant?

Memorial Park is significant as it was dedicated to World War II veterans in 1947 and serves as a historical site for the community, providing recreational spaces for families.

### What are the main concerns about the proposed development?

Main concerns include the loss of community recreational spaces, potential traffic congestion, the fate of old growth banyan trees, and the overall impact on the town's character and history.

### How can residents get involved in the SAVE BOCA movement?

Residents can get involved by signing petitions, attending city council meetings, and following updates on social media platforms associated with the SAVE BOCA movement.

### What is the current status of the development plan?

The development plan is still under discussion, with local residents advocating for a vote and expressing concerns about the transparency and intentions of the city council regarding the project.


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## Transcript

[Music]
Welcome to GenX Adulting and for this episode we are going to get a little
personal. Well I guess we've gotten very personal. Personal and political I think.
I don't know about political, we try to stay out of politics but we have
gotten incredibly personal in past episodes
I guess but. This is nothing in comparison.
Yeah true true. And it's political and local
politics. True local politics that's very true.
So this is currently personal. It's about the
town we live in and there's some controversy going on
that's surrounding some open space public land
that is 31 acres of open space and within that
there is 17 acres called Memorial Park
which was dedicated to World War II vets in 1947
and our local government wants to put this 31
acres of open land open space in our downtown area
into the hands of developers so that they can build housing, hotel, stores.
Put the picture up. This is the mock up, the
plan of it and if you look at our video or we did a
short a couple days ago, um, taking pictures
of the tennis courts that were there, the park,
the basketball courts, our community center, the
softball fields, the skate park, the children's
museum. It would all be replaced with this
monstrosity of just crap to be honest with you.
It's a, it's a hotel, maybe more than one
hotel, housing, stores, cafes, restaurants.
We have old growth banyan trees all over a lot
of this open space and there's been mixed messages
as far as sometimes they say that the banyan trees
will not be cut down and then other times when you
look at what they're planning on doing it's
almost impossible to do what they want to do
without cutting down some of the banyan trees.
The latest I saw today they came out with a revised
plan there. I think let's, let's say there's
six banyan trees. They plan to keep five and
move one of them, which isn't going to
happen. You can't, those things are almost a hundred
years old I think. Yeah, yeah. But to give a
little bit of history, so like I said, uh, Memorial Park
also called, um, war memorial was dedicated
in 1947. And what's interesting about this land
is that it was part of the Boca Raton Army Airfield, which was established in 1942
by the U.S. Army Corps. And the base served as
our nation's sole training center for top secret
airborne radar operators. And it, uh, that
played a critical role in the Allied victory.
Thousands of servicemen and women trained in
this space we're talking about before deployment
overseas. And so, uh, the war ended and two
years later this space was named Memorial Park
or war memorial in honor of the, um, you know,
the servicemen and women that train there and the
veterans that served in World War II. And I do
think that, um, it even expanded into all veterans,
kind of a dedication for all veterans. And
opponents are saying that because there wasn't
an official war memorial building, so, uh,
anything on the property wasn't dedicated as
this is the designated onsite war memorial, whether
it was a statue or a building that there's nothing.
When it was dedicated, it was like the whole
park, the 17 acres was the war memorial, but opponents
are really picking to find, uh, the debate
seems to be over the park's name and intent.
So do you need like a bust or a statue?
Something like that, a plaque to make it official?
It seems so. It seems that the whole 17 acres
isn't quite enough of a dedication you need to
have had. They're saying because there
isn't something specific that that doesn't prove
they're ignoring the intent. And you can go back and look at old newspaper articles
in Boca Raton. And it's very obvious that
this is a dedication. This is a memorial park.
Not to interrupt you, but I was reading
something on the sayboca.org site. I think it was,
and it's talking about how the Boca historical
society may have changed some of the verbiage.
Can't verify that. Maybe an accusation. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not,
but that's how hotly contested this thing
has become. Um, but they changed the wording to
reference or refer to the park. Kind of like
you're talking about where it's in, there's no
statute. There's no official declaration.
The land itself being dedicated and called
memorial park. Isn't enough that the council went in and said that basically. Yeah.
Not you didn't say the Boca Raton historical society.
Yeah. Yeah. I'll look it up as we're talking. I think I saw that.
So you're saying the Boca Raton historical
society was citing saying that that wasn't enough and
that it's not a memorial park. I'm not saying
that what I'm saying is in the, there's an FAQ
out there where the language was changed to favor
the pro development over building of the community.
Yeah. So the, the FAQ on the website, the town
website for the information is a seems to be fluid
because yes, they keep changing the fact
frequent, the facts of the frequently asked questions. Um,
depending on how things are going, all of a
sudden you go there and that frequently asked question
is has now has a different answer. Um, so I
didn't realize that that was a subjective thing
where you could just go in and alter it
depending on the mood or the, um, temperature of the
situation. But I do think answers to frequent
frequently asked questions are fluid. They can
be right. This new information comes about.
That's true. But this doesn't feel like new
information. No, this is, this is established
information. And if you go back to articles,
um, there have been some local reporters who've
written already done some really good writeups
about the subject. Um, and one in particular,
he found articles where the town, when it was
talking about different events going on the
town, it would say at Memorial park, that at a, at
Memorial park, this has been Memorial park, war
Memorial, either one people have called it the war
Memorial since 1947. And that is being completely
ignored. And, um, because if, if it was, if they
had to acknowledge that they couldn't do what
they want to do. What do you mean? If it was a war
Memorial, if it was a truly, like if it is a
dedicated Memorial park, but if it had, um, what
they're saying, a building or like, you can't
go into Washington DC and just build on the world
war two Memorial, it's a Memorial to veterans.
So if, if they were forced to acknowledge this as
an actual Memorial to veterans, they wouldn't be able to develop it.
Yeah. I am displaying now some of the, this is off the say bokeh.org website.
Yeah. And you can see that's the painting trees
are going to cut down. There it is. There's an
original FAQ statement and a new one. Yeah.
And it's, it's hard for us to read it right here,
but they did change the verb. They changed
the verbiage, but, but as you alluded to before,
and we did make, we went out and signed the
petition. Um, the petition is basically saying
that there needs to be a vote on this. This
is public land. So the people need to vote.
The people have a right to vote. Um, and so we
went out, we signed the petition. It was storming.
We, uh, took film of the area. There are 10
clay tennis courts. There are softball fields,
baseball fields, basketball courts, a great
playground, open space. There's a skate park.
There's shuffleboard, uh, courts. There's a
historic children's museum that has the second
oldest building in Boca on it. And then of
course there's our community center and our city hall.
And one interesting thing they were trying to
say is that in exchange for this, we will get a new
city hall, but from my research, I found out
that we Boca Raton has to front the cost of the city
hall. So it's not an exchange. We have to front
the cost of our city hall and then, okay, sure.
They'll build it. To be honest with you, who
gives a shit about the city hall that this is crazy.
You know, it's, it was, I was thinking about this.
We were just up in Washington DC last weekend for
a wedding and the nicest buildings are all
government owned. It's crazy. It shouldn't be
that way. Right. And so the city wants to build
these, you know, this wonderful city hall, which
people really don't, don't care to go to. There's
no reason to really go to city hall. Yeah. Yeah.
It's crazy. I mean, people, you sure having a
nice city hall is, it's not a priority. That's what
you're saying. It's not a priority. Not at all.
What I'm concerned with as a citizen is I want
open space and that little area there's pretty
nice, right? It's not bad. I want less traffic.
And the, in the, you know, there's a lot of
folks focusing on the war memorial aspect of this and
the dedicated land in the open space. The
reality is there is massive gridlock on the corner of
Palmetto and Dixie and Palmetto and federal, right?
It's so bad that people, when you're heading down,
if you're heading east on Palmetto towards the
beach and the light turns red, people literally
pull into the middle of the intersection
because they don't want to have to wait too long. They
want to just game the system, right? It's like
you're in New York. Right. But we're in, in our,
they're in New York with that, that kind of
mentality. Yeah. No, the congestion is off the
charts. Maybe Boca in general has been over, over
developing completely and not our infrastructure
has not been altered in any way or supported.
And I think people also may not be aware, but
starting around end of October through mid April
or so, or maybe beginning of April, just depends
when Eastern Passover fall, um, is seasoned for
us. So our population grows significantly from
all the snowbirds that come down here. So it's
congested just when it's us quote unquote locals
define what season is. What do you mean by that?
Season is when the snowbirds come. It's when the
people from the North come down and they have
homes down here and they have their cars shipped
down here many times on the, uh, what are
they called? Traction trailers or car carriers or
whatever. Yeah. And they, they live here from
like, I mean, people would probably say like
November to March, I think it starts around. I
go by Costco whenever, when I see them at Costco,
it's like, okay, it's season. And then when
Costco is kind of empty again, season's over,
but, um, it's a good half of our year is when
it's seasoned and the snowbirds are here. And so
I don't know the numbers. I don't know how much
our population increases, but it's significant.
And it adds to the traffic. It's noticeable.
It's hard to go to restaurants. It's the grocery
stores get crazy. You have to adjust as a
local, you adjust a lot of your regular daily life.
That's just normal. But then the congestion
from the extra traffic, because they do bring their
cars down here. So I can't even imagine if this
area gets developed, it is in downtown. And the,
the thing is, is this is downtown, but you
think of downtown, right? And a lot of people think,
you know, buildings and concrete, but Oka downtown is very lush. It's very green.
There are a lot of open spaces. East Boca
in particular has its own beachy charm vibe.
It's different than central Boca and it's really different than West Boca.
And anyone who's lived in Boca Raton would agree.
And so part of having that chill beachy vibe and
that small town community feeling is having the
open spaces and having the recreation facilities
that are open to all the families. And if you
put high rises, or you put a hotel, or you put
more housing or restaurants, cafes, if you cover
everything with that, if you put Meisner parks,
everywhere all over downtown Boca, then you have
completely changed the entire vibe of East Boca.
Well, it's already happened, right? Look at
that monstrosity of an eyesore called the Mandarin.
Right? Yes. This thing's been under development
for what? Three, five, seven years or something?
I don't even know. I don't remember when they started.
It's a condo hotel. I don't know what it is. I think it's a condo. It's giant.
It's a perpetual high rise construction site. Yes. And it's absolutely terrible.
For anyone that's familiar with Boca,
that's on the corner of Federal and Camino, Real.
Yeah. Just across the street or not too far,
half a mile away on the west side of Dixie,
the old Wawa location got turned into high rise apartments, right?
No, that was the, was that the Piggly Wiggly or something?
No, no, it was the Wawa.
It's something like a Piggly Wiggly, but it's not
a Piggly Wiggly, but it's another grocery store.
And they tore down the grocery store and they put
high rises. I don't think those are even near full.
I don't think they are either.
And that area is congested.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
So they've taken these small little parts of
East Boca and put these high rise apartments
that aren't even filling up, but the people
that are there are adding to the congestion.
But now to do this in this area that's kind of
centrally located, it doesn't make any sense.
I mean, I understand it's all about money, but it does not make any sense to me.
Other than money, why would you do such a thing?
Well, I think the argument is they're affordable housing, which is bullshit.
They're saying that this new project will
bring business in, so commercial real estate,
which is bullshit because on our way home
yesterday, or whenever it was a couple of days ago,
I counted at least, we counted at least eight
commercial locations that are vacant that have
signs up saying available to lease. One of them
was the CVS. Then there was about four or five
right in that general area. Right? Yeah.
So the town is making these projections and
they put a capital B like it's billions of dollars
of revenue. So they're, they're pitching it as a, as a moneymaker for the city.
It'll help develop the city with no increase
in taxes, which is pure bullshit because they're
projecting this out the net present value of
this project. And they're, they're forecasting
it out 99 years, 99 years. No one born
today is even going to be around in 99 years.
Wait, what do you mean?
You can't forecast out the revenue and the impact over 99 years.
They're saying that BOCA will earn billions
of dollars by this, but it'll be 99 years.
No, what it is. So it's a 99 year lease.
Right? So this is going to be, they're leasing this
property or this space to this private development
company for 99 years. What they're saying is that
the, um, this project will generate revenue for
the city in the form of commercial locate businesses
and taxes there, probably hotel revenue and
receipts. Um, probably the, whatever housing
it's going in there, right? That's going to fill
the city's coffers with money. That's going to help
offset our local property taxes. And it's
the, so it's a, you know, they're forecasting,
they're saying over 99 years, we're going to
bring in billions of dollars pure bullshit.
Right. That's what I meant. So over that 99
year time, you might, it'll maybe bring in the
billions of dollars, but it's nothing that
we're going to feel or see any, anytime soon,
or for most of the people that live here right
now, by making it 99 years, your multiplier is
times 99. It's, you can't predict that
it's, it's stupid. It's, it's stupid to do that,
but they're projecting for this development
company. They will have a 99 year lease. Yeah.
So once they sign this over to this
company, this, this development company has control
of 31 acres of public land to do whatever they
want with for 99 years to do whatever they want
with might be a stretch, right? That's what's kind
of happening now. It's getting sorted out, right?
But I mean, let's face it once you destroy the
property and it becomes this ugly monstrosity,
concrete jungle, right? Where it's currently open grass and old trees,
it all bets are off. It short-term memory sets
in 10, 15, 20 years out. They could easily go up
higher. You're giving up open space now for the
promise of tomorrow, but you're also relinquishing
a lot of control and other zoning laws and stuff like that. Right. But apparently
I don't want to accuse the city council or
the mayor of, of illegal things, but you know,
there's something's wrong here. So who's
profiting, right? You got to follow the money on this type
of thing. Yeah. And so I, not making any
accusations. I have no data to suggest any of that
except my age experience and, and just looking
around at how stupid this is. Right. Right. That
makes sense. No, it does make sense. And, um,
I think the most, one of the most interesting
things about all of this is that they called it
a government campus, campus redevelopment plan.
So, um, cause the mayor did come out with something
yesterday, actually, um, a new message. And in it,
he said, you know, that they'd been discussing
this particular project for over three years and that
he has sent out new numerous newsletters about
it. And there's been meetings about it and, um,
there hasn't been a lot of interest in it. And,
and I felt it was a little passive aggressive,
but whatever. Um, but in there, it's like,
yeah, you were calling it a, uh, government campus
redevelopment. So any regular person that lives
in Boca is going to think, Oh, they're rebuilding
the city hall. Oh, they are real bit rebuilding
the recreation center. Oh, maybe they're going to
upgrade the tennis courts. Like we, I think
most of us thought they're just going to make that
upgrade. What's already there. They're going
to maintain what's there, but make it nicer. And
then come to find out, no, they're giving this
all over to a developer developer. So I think there
was, um, it was very misleading. Let's put it that way. It was very misleading.
I do think that's a segue into really what's
pro what's problematic for local governments,
right? As local citizens, it's so often as the
case, local governments have people running for
their offices, mayor city council, town council,
whatever. Most of the citizen re, uh, doesn't pay
attention to what's who's funding these
people's campaigns, who these people are. And it's only
once they're in office and they start doing
various things, do you realize, okay, you kind
of get a peek into it, right? This current
regime has overdeveloped the downtown area.
They've even probably you can make a case,
maybe they've developed, overdeveloped some of the
westerly part of town, right? They're on Clint
or a Clint Moore and, uh, military, right? The old
office depot campus is going to get half one third
of it's getting knocked down to have like a six or
seven or 10 store. I don't even know how big a
multi-story multi-development or multi-purpose
building put out there. Do we need that? I don't
know. Probably not. But, but that, but either way.
So my point is people get elected, they start
doing things that serve their own personal interests.
Most of the, most of the population's not
tracking this stuff and that's our fault. That is our
fault. And it's not just our fault in our town
happens everywhere. I will go into it in a little
while, but I can even speak to the town I
grew up in, how it was overdeveloped. And you've,
you've been there. What used to be a nice town
that you could easily navigate and cruise around
and no problem. It's now a traffic nightmare
and all the woodlands that used to be our old
playground are all now McMansions and old and
houses that all look the same. And, um, and it's
happening here. Yeah. That's what's happening to
our town. Well, and I think something else that's
also happening maybe all over America, I'm not
sure, but I've definitely have seen it here in
Florida. And I'd be curious if any listeners
are listening about this, uh, if it's happening in
their area, but, um, I remember years ago,
there was this concept of copying what Europe does
where you live in the same place where you
grocery shop, where you eat almost maybe where
you go to school. Like everything is within
walking distance. And it's almost like you're creating
these little towns. Well, it's even worse. Um,
and it is a trend. You remember the game sim tower?
You probably don't. Yeah. Yeah. No, I do.
There was some tower. You could make a tower and
your high rise. You put in elevators, you
got stores on the bottom and add a dry cleaner.
So it's that's what's going to happen at that
office, deep a location. And it's already happened
just south of that, at that 10 X location, right?
Yeah. Where the, the burger places, the Chipotle,
yeah, that whole thing. There's probably a dry
cleaner there. There's a, there's a shopping,
uh, the grocery store. I first saw this up in
Ashburn, Virginia, though, when I was up there,
probably 10 years ago. Um, and there's a, there
was a tower up top was people living down below
with the grocery store, dry cleaners, um, across
the street was a home depot. So you didn't have
to go too far. Right. And that's
absolutely happening. And then, and then COVID hits.
And now that really starts to take off because,
okay, people are working from home. They don't
necessarily have to travel. They can just go
downstairs and do their grocery shopping. Don't
really need the dry cleaner so much anymore, but
yeah, self-contained units. Yes. Very much so. But
it insulates people and it, I mean, I
understand the convenience of it, but it's efficient, but
I don't know. You, you definitely don't have a
small town vibe in that situation because you
have these tiny little almost cities within
themselves. And I don't know. I feel like you
lose the character of a mom and pop stores. And
I mean, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
it makes me sad. It really does. And that's
probably what strikes a chord for me here is that
where they want, what they want to do with this
land today, it's community. It's softball fields.
It's basketball courts. It's a playground. It's
tennis courts, but not only that, right? Because
that allows you to have some organized sports and
volunteering and coaching. Right. I used to do that.
But what happens is you, you can't go play. Your
friends can't go with a football and just throw a
football around. Right. You can't go down there
and throw a frisbee around in the open grass. You
can't just go kick a soccer ball. Well, you can
right now. You can right now. But once you get rid
of that stuff, where do you go? And I feel like
the mayor in his statement yesterday also tried to
say that he said something like, let's face it,
or let's be honest. Very few residents go to this
area and that's not true. There were people
there just last night. They were using all the
facilities. It's, it's used by people that do
play tennis there. There's kids. I've played tennis.
Yes. But Dylan there. Yeah. There's kids that
play softball, baseball, kick the soccer ball, play
basketball. It's used. Yeah. It is used. And you
know, Boca, a lot of people that you don't know
Boca, you might have an idea about Boca. There
is wealth, some wealth here and all that. And yes,
we do have some really nice clubs and areas where
people can go play tennis, but there are regular
people here in Boca too. There that could use,
they do use the tennis courts there. You know,
it's, it's affordable recreation for just regular
people that want to go and just throw the football
or kick the soccer ball. And you're going to
remove all of that freedom from, it's such a central
point of the community. Well, you know what
they're doing too. If you look at the year,
their master plan right there. And they came out today, I think saying, we'll add more tennis courts.
We'll do this and do that. I bet they'll
charge. Well, not only that, but right now,
at least in that area, it's a nice open free
flowing space. It's nice. Yeah. It's nice. And
they want to put in these just shitty looking
buildings that look the same as everything else
and turn it into a concrete jungle. And it's
nice right now. Yeah, it really is. And I think,
you know, when we had posted our short
yesterday, there was some people that commented
up in New York that it's happening even in, I
think somebody commented it's happening in Brooklyn.
Yeah, from Brooklyn to Boca was there.
Yeah. This seems to be just such a trend is this
over development. And it's, I don't understand,
I get it. A ton of people moved to Florida during
COVID. So I understand we grew like crazy all over Florida. It was insane. But
the over development everywhere, it confuses
me because I don't feel like they're filling
all the buildings or all the apartment buildings
or all the houses. I don't feel like people are
moving into all these places, but they
keep developing, developing, developing. Well,
I mean, it makes sense, right? Real estate is
such a huge part of our economy from everything
from the raw materials being sold. So
those people make some money. The guys that are
make some money. The guys who deliver it, they get
paid, they make some money. The guys who build it,
they get paid, they make some money. The
politicians who approve it, I think they get paid too. Again,
I don't want to accuse anybody of anything,
but there's no, it makes no sense to approve this
stuff. The realtors who sign the leases sell the
properties, they get a cut of the action. So it
makes sense. It's an economic engine to do all of
this. If you own the land and you sell the land,
you have every right to do all of that
stuff. But when it comes to this kind of project,
it just reeks of greed. It really does because,
and I was reading something on Facebook today,
somebody posted to that Save Boca, maybe it was the Facebook page, I think it was,
just talking about what kind of legacy do you
want to leave? And I remember seeing the mayor
at the Hobachi place a couple of Christmas years
ago, I think it was. That's when we typically go.
Right? Yeah. And he was there with his family.
And, you know, I, it was, I almost wanted to say,
hey, I think you're doing a decent job, but it
was there with his family and it wouldn't have been
appropriate. I don't think he's doing a good job
anymore. And I know he has kids and is this the
legacy wants to leave? Like the C plan to be in
the community? Do any of these people plan to be
in the community? And if so, do they ever go down
there? Have they sat in that gridlock on Palmetto
and Dixie or sat in that, that gridlock on
Palmetto in federal? You would never want to
make your legacy be, yeah, we made this big,
beautiful pile of shit. We, yeah, we got rid of
some banyan trees. We got rid of the softball
fields that were there, the park, the nice open
space. That's their legacy that they're
chasing. And I find that weird. I find it weird. Well,
and I wondered do if they don't, they may not
live in this area. They may live out in West Boca or
they may live in central Boca. And I always say
Boca is three parts and three different personalities
in three different towns within Boca. So if you
live in West Boca, you really have, you only come
over to East Boca for maybe a restaurant or
something, but, or you drive through East Boca
to get to the beach, but you don't do a lot of
your life here. And so if they live in West Boca,
they don't feel an affinity to what life is
like here. And to your point, they may not even
experience what we all experience living here,
but we've lived here for almost 20 years. And I
can't tell you the change, the change from when
we moved here and I get it, things are going to
change. I understand that, but some of it is just
a, it's just so offensive. It's just so ridiculous.
And you know, I know that, um, the whole thing
Meissner park's so great and that was a success.
And so this will be a success. Like I said
before, we don't want a bunch of Meissner parks. What
makes Meissner parks is that the air is only one
Meissner park, you know? Great point. And lately
it's been a revolving door of business. It's
not like you can, there's a couple yard houses
been there for a while, right? There's a few
others, you know, better than I do. Yeah, but
every, but it's been a main, uh, a major rotation
in the last few years. Yeah. No, it's not even like
there's definitely been things that have come
and gone. So I, I think, again, their vision,
it's like they want to make a East Boak downtown
Boca. They call it downtown Boca. Yeah. They call
it downtown. Guess what we call it? East Boca.
We call it home. We call it home. Yeah. Right.
This is East Boca. This isn't downtown Boca to us.
Those of us who live here don't think of ourselves
as living downtown. We live in East Boca.
Well, that's, but that's the rub. They're trying to
make it a downtown. Yes. Like a Miami downtown or
a Fort Lauderdale downtown or a West Palm downtown.
Yeah. That's not the vibe here. They're trying
to change East Boca into a downtown. Like what you
just said, we don't want that. Yeah. It's not
anything. That's what makes this area so special
is we don't want to know offensive to Fort
Lauderdale. We don't want to look like Fort
Lauderdale. We don't want to look like West Palm.
Delray beach has its own unique character with the
av and Boca has its own unique character with a
small town beachy feel and with things that are
going on, right? It's just, it's like a
city within a small town. It's hard to explain,
but we don't want it to feel like a downtown.
It's not a priority for most of the citizens here.
Well, what's fascinating to me is the
email the mayor sent out on Sunday, how he said
they he's, they've been communicating the plan
for the last three years and that for the last
three years, they've been hyper focused on
redeveloping that area, right? That that's
their main priority. I think those were his words
that it's been our, our, we've been hyper focused
or it's our main priority to develop that
area, which is crazy to me because as a person who
lives here, my main priority is how do I get
from South Boca to North Boca on Dixie or federal
in less than a half an hour? Yeah. And it used
to be 15 minutes or 10, 10 to 15 minutes to make
it down to the park where we do flag football.
Yeah. Now that's 20 minutes for, yeah. Any time
a day. Yeah. That's crazy. No, it is. It's the, I
would be congestion, traffic congestion. And I'm
sure central Boca has its own issues and so does
West Boca. So I'm not leaving them out, but what's
happening right now is an East Boca. Yeah. And
again, you know, South, well, South Florida is,
you know, not, not to catch up, but West Boca is
overdeveloped too, right? Along what is it? 441 is
that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 441. It's all
overdeveloped traffic nightmare. Yeah. No, for sure.
But South Florida is unique because South Florida does have its own unique charm
and its own history. And part of that is where
we live at least from Miami all the way up until,
gosh, Jupiter, Vero. It's, it's beach towns.
Like these are towns along the beach, right? And
a lot of them have been able to hold on to their
old unique charm. And the, I think what has made
Boca so special is, but you have Miami,
you have Hollywood, you have Fort Lauderdale,
and then you get to Pompano and you get to
Deerfield Beach. And Deerfield Beach actually
has held on to its charm in a lot of ways.
Actually, I mean, there's really nice beaches
down in Fort Lauderdale, some nice neighborhoods.
There is. Hollywood has the boardwalk area. That's
pretty cool. There is. Miami obviously has South
Beach and stuff like that. But I'm talking about,
there's that downtown vibe and in Miami,
Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale. Yeah. Right. But the thing
about Boca is you'd get to Boca and it felt
like, Boca's downtown just felt like just a regular
neighborhood, small town in a way. It was just,
you didn't feel like you were entering a downtown.
You never once felt like you were entering a
downtown. In the last, last five years, for sure.
Now you do. Yeah. It's starting. And if they
keep going, it's lost. All of it is lost. Yeah.
Because once it starts, you can't put it back in
the, in, it's done. It's, you know, so I think,
you know, to our listeners, if you're still with
us, because I know this is very local to what's
going on with us, but who knows? Maybe in your
town, you're also trying to deal with some over
development and are fighting the good fight to
try to hold on to the history or the charm of your
city or your town. I do think a lot of this is
happening all over our country. And so we may be,
what's going on with us may just be symbolic of
what could be going on for a lot of other listeners.
I do think that's, that is going on. I feel
like a message for everybody who's listening is to
protect your town. If you like your town, protect
it. Because I think we voted for people. We thought
we could trust. And then it turns out that they
can't be trusted. And this isn't just Boca, right?
We're talking about it because it's our town, but
where I grew up in Sparta, right? They have their
own controversies going on up there where,
you know, like I say, when I was a kid, this is
fascinating to me because I was thinking about
it. It's probably the genesis of why I just have
such a distrust in government. When I was a kid, I
remember we had in New Jersey, there were wetlands
laws. You were not allowed to develop or build
properties in the wetlands. Well, they did. You
know, when I was a kid, we used to play around
Fox Hollow in Sparta. It was all swampy. Wetland
had those skunk cabbages, which have to grow in
very moist soil. It's all homes now. When I was
younger, Hemlock Hill was one of the first
developments in Sparta off of Green Road and
Sawmill Estates and other places. And we used to
play in a stream back there. We'd catch fish and
frogs and stuff. It's all homes. And so
it's all corrupt, local government corruption
being bought out and paid for by developers, you know, and that happens everywhere.
Yeah.
Unfortunately. And so if you live in a small
town, you probably, maybe you can trust those,
you know, the folks for a little while,
but you got to keep a real close eye on them.
And I think that goes back to your original
point is stay active as much as you can, or keep your
finger on the pulse as much as you can. And I
know we all get busy with our lives and we certainly
did, but you think you, who you're voting in, you
can trust. And so you think that you don't have to
watch as closely, but you do because
before you know it, you're being presented with
a part of your town that is cherished and
beloved. That's going to be handed over to people that
aren't from your town that don't care about your
town that are in it for the money and have their
own vision that does not align with your town
because they haven't, they don't know the culture
of our town. They don't have it lived it.
And so whatever they're going to put there
is going to be uncomfortable and is going to
be foreign to all the people that live here
instead of working with the citizens from the start.
Well, they claim to, right? But most of us
as citizens are asleep at the wheel. Again,
we vote these people and we expect them to
represent our interests. The things most of us
care about are decent schools, open spaces,
you know, good police department. We want good
healthcare nearby. You know, we have a great
bike lane system here in town. We've got beautiful
beaches. We have the police are excellent. The
fire department is excellent. All the city workers
in our city are great guys. You know, if you sit
and talk with them and whether it's everyone from
the sanitation guys to the guys who work the
fields, you know, they do a great job keeping
the fields intact. They wonderful job just keeping our city looking good.
Yeah, absolutely. 100%.
Those are the things that we don't want traffic. We don't want crime. We don't want
weird shit going on. And BOCUS actually run
extremely well. And that's part of the charm
of East Boca, right? That's what we all like is
it's a nice, clean, safe place. When you put in
these high rise developments, I'm not
opposed to the Brightline station that was put in,
but you combine the Brightline with this high
rise monstrosity, it brings in an element of
crime with an easy exit, right? So that's all part of what's going on here.
It's a change of just all of it. It's a shift, right? But again, I still feel like
this was, it was sneaky. I feel sneaky. It
feels like the name they gave it was so misleading.
100%. Yeah.
So I feel like you, like you said, you think
you vote somebody in that you can trust, which
is just ridiculous because they're politicians.
And so there's just no way. But again, I think
this is happening all over the country.
Yeah, no doubt.
And it's definitely Florida. Definitely
Florida. They've been cutting down farmland,
orange tree orchards, all of that out on West
Florida, all that's been cut down for subdivisions
and homes. And we had a listener comment that
downtown St. Petersburg has completely changed.
So I don't know. I guess it can get
overwhelming when you think about it. So you at least focus
just on your one little area, which is what
we're doing. We're trying to be a part of at least
having our voices heard in this situation and
maybe be able to change the course or at least
force the government to listen to us. And
so whatever they end up with is a compromise
between the citizens and what the government wants, I guess.
Well, I think one thing that's interesting is
the developer. So I think they've gone out to
bed, right? They've been kind of doing this
for the last few years. And the mayor probably is
right. He's probably been communicating via emails
and newsletters and old archaic stuff no one pays
attention to. Maybe if he had a TikTok account or
an Instagram account or was on Facebook or YouTube,
right? Something that people are actually
paying attention to rather than the local flyer down
at the community center, people would be
more aware. But what I find very interesting is,
you know, so they've gone through bidding processes. I think they've down selected.
There is one developer now there's, it's a combo.
I don't know their names, but one of the developers
is the developer who put up the building that collapsed in Miami a few years ago.
No, they put up, I think they put up what
they were building. It's like terrace something.
The building they were building next to Surfside,
what they were doing there with the construction
was what had an effect, I think on Surfside
collapsing. I don't know if Terra built Surfside.
I'm not sure. I just know that the building
they were building next to Surfside down in Miami,
if anyone remembers that story, was horrendous.
The whole community collapsed and people died.
So this developer was building next to it and
whatever they were doing, whether it was through
strong vibration, it was weakening what was
going on over the building foundation at Surfside.
I believe that's what happened. I think they got sued. I'm not sure.
Oh, of course they got sued. People died in their sleep.
But I don't know if they built Surfside. I'm not sure on that.
The same developer sued over Surfside collapse. So you're right. Maybe they didn't.
It was almost like they reviewed as they caused
the collapse of Surfside. This is the developer
that wants to be in charge of this project
in Boca. So I just think that's bad juju.
I think that's bad karma. I don't think you bring that in here.
Yeah, there it is. So the Terra group, the
Miami-based developer now pursuing a high-profile
project in Boca Raton was a key defendant in lawsuits tied to the 2021--
Champlain Towers, South Collapse, and Surfside.
This is despite not disclosing the lawsuit and the
proposal submitted to the city of Boca Raton in
January 2025. So they did not disclose that there
was a lawsuit. They hid it. For anyone
listening, we're putting up information on the screen.
So if you go to watch on YouTube, you'll see. So that's already sketchy.
So you started off this entire project calling it the government redevelopment--
what was it? Government redevelopment project or
something? Whatever it was called, it wasn't clear.
I think it's called the don't worry about it. We got this project.
And so that was sketchy. And then any
newsletter-- because the mayor does send email newsletters--
any newsletters that were coming through, I
read them. So I do read those newsletters,
not every single one of them, but I'll look
through them. I don't remember ever-- nothing
caught my eye. Nothing caught my attention.
I was like, what are they doing down there?
I agree. I read them too. Yeah, whatever was being said,
it was not clear. It was misleading. I'm not saying it was misleading on purpose,
but it was misleading. And now you have a
developer who didn't disclose that they were part of the
lawsuit of the collapse of the Surfside. This
is just all bad. It's just all like so sketchy.
Well, what's interesting to me is we're
late to the party. Just for full disclosure,
ours-- we do not have full 1,000% command of
all facts, but doesn't pass the sniff test.
But we are late. And think some higher power.
Thank God, I'll say it. For the people in Boca
who started the Save Boca, the project--
Dan Perlman, I think, is one of the main guys.
Nice job, Dan. Thanks for bringing this to
everybody's attention. I'm looking at you.
Good job. Yes. There's a whole group of people
who started the SaveBoca.org campaign, basically.
And not only that, well, it is a campaign,
but they're, you know, you've got your shirt.
If I wore anything besides a black shirt, I
would wear that shirt. But they've made the t-shirts,
they've got the signs, they've attended the
city council meetings, they did the whole petition
effort. So kudos to all of you guys. So now I
think you've woken us up. They did get some good
press. They made national news. I think they
did. It was on Fox News. I don't know if they've
been seeing it or not, but I know Fox. So they've
got the word out and they've woken up the people
of our town now, which is a great thing. So
thank you for doing that. Yes. For doing that. They
have a Facebook page, they have an Instagram page,
they have a TikTok. I went and followed all of them.
So anyone listening that wants to follow along
on this, because we have, when this airs tomorrow,
this is Monday right now, tomorrow night,
Tuesday, there is a city council meeting at six o'clock.
The address is on say, Boca.org. I think
it's 60, I looked it up. I think it's 6,500
Congress Boulevard and what that is. So where
that is, it's between Yamado and Clint Moore on
Congress. And it is where like the, there's like
a police academy, not academy, but maybe training.
There's, it's kind of a, I don't know, a
nondescript building, but what's interesting
about it. So it is there tomorrow. People are
encouraged to go. There's instructions on the
sayboca.org homepage. If you go in, you sign
in, every person does get three minutes to speak.
The challenge is they did request, officially
requested Monday to have it moved to a larger
location. They did, and they were denied. They
were denied, yeah. And there's plenty of places to go.
I don't, you know, it's a tough one. I want to
believe in the, I want to believe in the sentiment
that's coming from the mayor. I don't think
he's inherently a bad guy. I think he's currently
misguided on this one. And I think he's wrong,
right? I 100% believe he's wrong. I don't think
he's a bad guy. It is probably logistically
difficult to change it last minute in their
defense. They are saying some of the right things
that this is just the beginning. They're going to
try to work it out, but anything short of a
full stop is, is unacceptable in my mind. Just
operationally, logistically kind of makes sense
for them to say, we're going to keep it here this
time. But given the demand and popularity of this,
they need to move it elsewhere. For the next one.
For the next one, 100%. Yeah. Because I think this is...
And make it longer. Yeah. I think this is just the beginning in some ways. I think
the more people hear about this and are going to
get involved, you know, until the mayor and the
city council have a good answer for everyone. I
don't see this dying down anytime soon, you know.
This isn't like how, you know, a private developer
wanting to build townhomes around the corner from
us in a ridiculous, ridiculous location. That's
another stupid one. I think the city approved that though.
Yeah. Okay. So the city might have approved that, but that seems more private land,
privately owned land that was sold, right? Well, and if I'm totally against it.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But to your point, there could have been a zoning...
I don't know if they made it a zoning accommodation
or not. It wouldn't surprise me. This city council
and this mayor is 100% pro over development. So I
do believe right now it was a small title company
and some other, you know, office space that they want to turn into a three...
They're still there, the title company. Yeah.
Yeah. I think they want to turn that into a three-story
multifamily housing. Yeah. It's going to be like
four condos or something. I don't know. And then
there's a whole other thing down up the street by
our local school that they want to put in a gated
apartment or condo community. And the traffic
on the road that both of these proposed projects
are on is already insane. But my point was,
is I think both of those areas are privately,
commercially owned by someone. Whereas this is
public land. This is city land. And that's...
So yeah, you can go out and you can get upset
about townhomes being built in an area that's
so ridiculous and apartments being built in an area that makes no sense,
but it's privately, commercially owned land,
I think. This is 100% public land. This is a
memorial park for World War II vets, which I
think is just... You can't overstate that enough.
You just can't. And 31 acres of open public
land. You can't just swoop in and give that over to
developers without the citizens having to say.
But we do. All right. So here's another one. I
forgot about this one. Out on Glades, just west
of the Turnpike, was the golf course, the 27 whole
city-owned and operated golf course that got
bulldozed probably what, five years ago maybe?
And now it's all condos. That's where they took
the kids to learn how to golf. Full of alligators,
the golf course out there was just sold to
private developers and turned into condos. Now,
I lost my train of thought. No, what's
interesting to me, and I think focused on a historically
tremendous job at this, but we've lost our way.
And what that is, that golf course was city-owned.
I could buy a golf cart or as a city resident,
you buy a card, you get a discount, you can book
tea times. They were excellent golf courses.
We've got city-owned and operated pickleball
courts, city-owned and operated tennis courts.
I'm not the biggest advocate for the city-owning
and operating all this stuff, but it's what made
Boca different is that they've always done a nice
job. They've paid great wages for the people
to run these things. They've done a great job
running them. It's always been open to the
community. They've always been fairly priced
and they're giving all that stuff up for
this over-development. The golf course out on
Yamado and that Hidden Valley Road, I think is by
Clintmore. By Costco, you come over the overpass.
That's a golf course out there. I think the
city's trying to turn that into a golf course,
but now they're combining it with pickleball
courts or maybe scratching the golf course.
It's crazy.
Yeah. I think if anything, people will start to
pay more attention. I know I will to what's going
on. A hundred percent. But the thing that's
special about this, again, is it is in the heart of our
"downtown area," but it helped keep our
downtown area feel neighborly and it helped maintain
community within our downtown area. It
helped our downtown area feel like a small town.
When you would drive by and see kids play
softball there, I'm telling you to listeners,
it's the same feeling as when I lived up in
New Jersey in a small town and I drove by and saw
kids play softball. We live in a large city, but this area...
Or West Virginia.
Yeah, exactly. This area is nostalgic. This
area that they want to develop is nostalgia
for Boca Raton. It's almost like one of the last
pieces that we have of the small town that Boca
Raton was. When you drive past this area,
you remember coaching your children there. You
remember watching your children play there.
And then you also currently see other people's
children playing there. You see people playing
tennis. You see people on the basketball courts.
What you see is the community of Boca Raton. And
if they develop that, it's gone because all you're
going to see then are concrete buildings and our
sense of community and one of our last pieces of
nostalgia in our little downtown area will be
wiped out. Well, I think also just to add to that,
it's everything you just said, but it's unstructured. Meaning if you go out to the
fields at Spanish River, they're beautiful. We've got beautiful facilities here.
The fields out there are beautiful soccer fields, baseball fields, a nice wonderful
playground, but it's all got a spot. It's all nice
and tidy because it's all new and it's all planned.
You go out to Patroif, it's beautiful. It's
phenomenal. This area is very unstructured.
I think they last developed in 1964. So to your
point, that's probably nostalgic at this point.
But it's free flowing. It evolved. The banyan
trees were put in probably as small trees. Now
they're these big, beautiful 15 foot across base
trees with vines hanging down. You walk over to
the fields. It's just unstructured. It's old
school. It's old school. It's old school. And
we need old school. You need old school. Everything can't be new. Everything can't
be developed. Everything can't be planned.
Everything shouldn't be shiny. You need to still
have some history without it being always totally
historic too. You just need that sense of nostalgia,
that sense of old school. And I know we're
Gen Xers. And so, yes, we do feel nostalgic
when we see certain things. But for younger
generations too, I think there's Gen Zers that
remember playing baseball and softball on
those fields. And just five, 10 years ago, there's
puddles. It's just like you said, it's
unstructured and it's a sense of childhood. It's a sense of
community, our community center. There's just so
much there to save for Boca Raton. So if anyone
is interested, saveboca.org has all the
information. It has all the current information. There is also
a Facebook page. There's an Instagram page. I did
join the TikTok. I don't know how much they post
on there, but that's where all the information
will be. And we just felt compelled to do an episode,
to at least put our voices to this and be a
part of trying to hold on to just that sense of
nostalgia and community in our town. And that's
why we're doing this episode, honestly. Because
I do think there are people all over this
country that have had to watch their nostalgia get
bulldozed over and their nostalgia get developed
by people who don't live in their town, by people
who don't care about their town and by people
who don't understand their town. So I don't think
this is a Boca Raton problem. I think it's a
problem probably in many, many towns and cities
in our country. And I think that it's important to
hold on to that. If you can, just hold on to a piece
of what was. I mean, look at that. That's just
such a mess. There is no value in what we're looking
to develop here in our town. It looks like
anything else. Yeah. You know what's fascinating
to me? It does not look like Boca Raton.
What's fascinating to me is when you look at that,
if you look at it in the eyes of the developer,
it's money. And when you look at it in the eyes
of the politician, it's just pure ego and greed,
right? They want to say, "I helped develop that
and put their name on it." Which is crazy to me.
I would want nothing to do with that. But when you
look at it, all of the people I just mentioned,
they'd look at it on a grid and they see, "Okay,
this is a thousand feet by a thousand feet and
there's a 45 degree angle here from the natural
terrain, right? What can we put in there?" And
it's just moving boxes around just to see what
can you put there and what's going to
maximize the square footage profitability of that
multi-block chunk of the city. They don't give a
shit about the impact to the traffic flows. And
now they'll come up with some BSO, "We did a
traffic flow and it's not going to impact traffic."
Bullshit. And they're going to come up with these financial models that says,
"We estimate that the commercial tax base
revenue is going to be X and it's going to help offset
the local property taxes." Bullshit. It's all just nonsense. It's just pure greed.
And it's unnecessary. If you guys want, go
elsewhere. Go somewhere else and do this,
right? There's plenty of other cities that
might be interested in something like this,
but I don't think there's an interest here.
No, there isn't. I mean, you literally are
creating something that does not fit in any way with the vibe of this area.
Well, it does, but it's called Fort Lauderdale.
It's called Miami. It's called West Palm Beach.
It's called anywhere but Boca and quite frankly Delray. Delray's got a lot of nice
charms on there and Deerfield too, but
Deerfield's a little overbuilt, but at the same time,
it's not bad. No, that Deerfield Boca
Delray area. Hillsborough Beach is nice. Yeah.
So yeah, our stretch from the last condos,
probably once you hit the Hillsborough Inlet
Bridge, just south of that, that whole stretch all
the way up into even past Lake Worth up where you
start to get where like Oprah's got a place
and write that extreme wealth of that town, but
kind of by the breakers. Yeah. Like Palm Beach.
Yeah. Well, Lake Worth-ish area that I forget the
town, but there's a lot of wealthy big homes
up there. And I mean, and that's fine. We don't,
there's wealth here. So it's not, we're not
against wealth and we're not against growth.
We wouldn't live here if we were. Yeah, we're
not. Yeah. We, to be clear, we're not saying we're
wealthy. That just sounded like that. The nice
thing about living amongst wealth is that you
get the benefit of living amongst wealth. We
have several billionaires living in both. Yes. Very,
we have a very, just a very wealthy
populace. We do. And so for regular people like us,
we, you know, our children get to enjoy the
community because the community is kept to a
certain state because of the wealth that's
here. So it all kind of balances out and works out.
But again, that's, that's what's so unique
about Boca is that at least East Boca, I can say,
is that if you ever came into East Boca, it would
just feel like any other town. You wouldn't feel,
unless you drive along certain roads and you see
like mansions and stuff. But if you were just to
go to like, we've been here close to 20 years
and I agree with you 15 years ago, 10 years ago,
but we are screwing the pooch here. Yeah. We're
watching it. We're watching the next real estate
and housing bubble commercial real estate.
Yeah. Yes. We're watching the next commercial
and apartment real estate bubble unfold in real
time. Fast forward five years or some point on
the horizon and we're going to see an
implosion. Yeah. And it's not, I'm not fearing doom. It's
just reality. This shit goes in cycles. And I
wouldn't even say we're in a big boom right now.
I did look up vacancy rates today in Boca
and we do have about a 7% vacancy rate here.
How that compares? Not sure. For commercial or for? Just the, like an apartment.
More on the apartment side. Yeah. Yeah. I think our commercials even, I don't know,
it's probably not worse, but there's plenty
of like, with like we saw yesterday or a couple
days ago, a lot of commercial real estate and a
lot of longer term ones, right? That CVS has been
vacant for like how long? A year? Two years
now. Yeah, probably. No, a few years I think. Which
becomes blight, which becomes crime. Yeah. Right.
All those things. I don't know. It's, it's a tough
one because you want to, you do want to
support growth and progress in your town, but I think
there's a way to do it where you can still hold
on to your town's character, your town's charm,
your town's nostalgia, and not completely come
in and wipe everything out and change everything
so that you don't recognize your town anymore.
And I know that has happened to so many towns
and it's, it's makes me sad that now it's come
to our town to this degree, to take 31 acres of
a beloved part of Boca and just plop down
crap. We haven't even touched on the fact that
the hotel will be adjacent to the local school
there, right? The Boca Christian high school.
No, it's K through 12. K through 12? Yeah. And
then there's that other little learning center.
I don't know what that is. Yeah. The hotel
will be right next to two schools. Yeah. No,
there's just so much about this. So again, we
just felt we needed to do this. We needed to
put our voices to it. It may not be very
interesting to anyone if you're not from Boca
or maybe you can relate or maybe you saw this
happen to your town and you can understand where
we're coming from, but you kind of feel a little
bit helpless in this situation. So we thought we
would at least do an episode on it and we are
going to stay on top of everything and attend the
meetings and do anything we can, but the least
we can do is at least talk about it and get it out
there. So for anyone that's interested and wants
to get more information about it, we just touched
on the tip of the facts. This goes deeper and
deeper and deeper. You can easily go down a rabbit
hole. If you Google and research any of this
stuff, even if you go to sayboca.org, they have
so much more information. We really just
touched on things. So again, thanks for listening and
please support if you're local, please
sign petition. Please show up at the meetings.
Please stay on top of things. I think we're all
going to read the mayor's newsletters going forward.
Read your local mayor's newsletter.
Read everything. Yeah, that's one piece of
advice. If your mayor is sending you guys something in
your town, read it. But for those of you who are still with us that aren't local,
thank you for listening and we will get back to
our normally scheduled program. We do have a ton
of guests, a ton, you guys, coming up for the
fall. We are double, triple, quadruple booked up
with so many cool and interesting people. We're
so excited to start. We took a little bit of a
what, a two week break or a week of break. How long did we not record a week?
I don't know. We had a out of town wedding we
went to. Then we did have a couple of folks,
or at least one person cancel it. We're going
to reschedule. She's from Australia. I was very
excited. So I think she's rescheduling for
November. So she actually came down with the flu.
So we have had, I think a week and a half or maybe two weeks where we haven't had
a record recorded an episode, maybe a week and
a half, which has been a trip for us because we
record every week nonstop. So that's been a bit
of a break. But now we're, and then we got involved
with the save focus. So well, yeah, I was just
going to say we had other topics, but I think
this is important. I can see us doing, we'll
probably throw some more episodes out on this
topic. I think we'll see how things evolve.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we'll see what happens.
And this may be something that we touch on
again, a little mini episode, just to update
anyone who's interested. If there's some
local folks that are part of the save Boca that,
you know, maybe when they come on and they
talk and provide more factual information and,
you know, that kind of speak to it better. Yeah.
Anyone local out there, if you do would like to
come on, please reach out to us. Go to our
website, genexadulting.com. There is a form on
there to contact us and we do receive those and,
and almost daily we receive those. So reach out
to us if you are interested and you can speak on
this topic much better than we can. Cause this was
obviously all of our opinion. Pretty much. Please
reach out to us and we would like to have you on.
I think it's opinion and wisdom in this show
before. That's true. That's it. We're old enough
now. We can speak to that. So exactly. Yeah.
Yeah. So, um, again, we'll, uh, we'll keep everyone up
to date. Uh, we're back to recording with guests
this week and, um, we will see you next time. Bye.