# Episode 56 - Pelvic Organ Prolapse

- Podcast: GenX Adulting Podcast
- Published: 2026-01-19T00:00:00.000Z
- Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2398379/episodes/18528958-episode-56-pelvic-organ-prolapse.mp3
- Page: https://genxadultingpodcast.com/transcripts/podcasts/genx-adulting-podcast/episodes/episode-56
- Source: https://genxadultingpodcast.com/episodes/genxadultingpodcastepisode56.html
- People: Brian Barker (host), Nicole Barker (host)

## Summary

In Episode 56, the host shares her personal experience with pelvic organ prolapse, discussing the lack of education on pelvic floor health for Gen X women. The episode emphasizes the importance of pelvic floor therapy and the need for open conversations about women's health issues, particularly after childbirth and during perimenopause.

## Key takeaways

- Pelvic organ prolapse is often under-discussed among women, especially in older generations.
- Kegel exercises are only one part of pelvic floor therapy; more comprehensive care is needed.
- Every woman who delivers vaginally should receive pelvic floor therapy as a standard practice.
- Symptoms of pelvic organ prolapse can include a heavy feeling in the vagina and urinary issues.
- One in three women experience some form of prolapse, but only one in nine will require surgery.
- Advocating for one's health is crucial, especially when navigating medical systems.
- Estrogen therapy may help strengthen vaginal tissues post-surgery.

## FAQ

### What is pelvic organ prolapse?

Pelvic organ prolapse refers to the bulging or herniation of pelvic organs, such as the uterus, vagina, bowel, and bladder, into or out of the vagina due to weakened muscles and ligaments.

### What are the symptoms of pelvic organ prolapse?

Symptoms can include a heavy dragging feeling in the vagina, urinary difficulties, and bowel issues, such as constipation or discomfort during intercourse.

### How can pelvic organ prolapse be treated?

Treatment options may include pelvic floor therapy, the use of a pessary, surgical options to repair the prolapse using mesh or tissue, and in some cases, removal of the ovaries.

### Why is pelvic floor therapy important?

Pelvic floor therapy helps strengthen the pelvic muscles, which can prevent or alleviate issues related to pelvic organ prolapse, especially after childbirth.

### What should women do if they suspect they have pelvic organ prolapse?

Women should consult their gynecologist for an evaluation and discuss their symptoms openly to receive appropriate care and treatment options.


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## Transcript

[Music]
Welcome to GenX Adulting and today we are going to discuss pelvic organ
prolapse. I'm going to share my own
personal journey so far. With that I have
pelvic organ prolapse and I think it's
important to discuss it because again as
a GenX woman or girl that grew into a
woman no one discussed this with me. I
knew nothing about this until it
happened to me. It's such a disservice to
women. I do know that the younger generations are way more educated on
pelvic floor therapy and keeping the
pelvic floor strong especially after
childbirth but all that we were told
to do was kegel exercises and then you
should be good to go. And for anyone
who doesn't know what a kegel exercise is
basically where you kind of tighten up
your vaginal area and you're supposed to
hold it for kind of as long as you can
I think and then release and you do a
series of kegel exercises you can do
them in the car anytime sitting you can
do kegels anywhere anytime and we were
pretty much told do kegels and you're
good. Is there is there any merit to
that because I do recall you being told
that and being you're like oh I'm gonna
do my kegels is there any merit to that
or is that just nonsense? Yeah no no I
think kegels are definitely part of pelvic floor
therapy but they're just one part and
so we were given just one tool and we
should have been given a lot more tools
one of them being educated and not going
into so many things ignorant especially
after having children. So I'm gonna do my
part here and as just like we talk about
very openly about relationships marriage
parenting menopause perimenopause I
think we should be discussing pelvic
organ prolapse and going through it
myself I felt it was important to share
my story. I have two questions off the rip that you can weave into the
conversation one is how did you find
out about it and I'm sure you're gonna go
into that and is there anything they could have done when right after
delivering say our last child or any one
of our kids is there anything they could
have done that would have helped prevent it and you know yeah yeah as
opposed to the journey around now. So preventative care would have been
pelvic floor therapy I personally
think that every woman who has a child
vaginally I don't know about cesarean I
can't speak to that so I'm speaking of
vaginal birth should automatically
receive pelvic floor therapy it should be
automatic and maybe it is now I don't
know maybe some of our younger listeners
can pipe in on that but for I can
speak for Gen X women no. I do recall Grace
talking about it one of our previous
guests around there was there's some
something more proactive. She spoke
about it and she's a Gen Z she's the oldest
Gen Z so I think they're gonna those
moms are gonna change the narrative for
sure but for us again it was do your
Kegels and take care of the baby and
that was pretty much it I mean don't
even get me started on there was no
discussion really of postpartum depression and all that but that's
another episode but I'm talking about as
far as pelvic floor therapy Gen X women
weren't told anything about it and I
know boomer women weren't so I don't
need people coming in talking to I
know women before us were not it was not
discussed with women before us it was
not discussed with us so speaking as a
Gen X mom of three three vaginal
births I never heard the words pelvic floor
therapy and we actually have three
kids who range in age and even on the last
right nothing right nothing was said
yeah so we have 97, 2,000 and 20 10 yeah so
even though they're all Gen Z I've
got the youngest Gen Z and I've got the
oldest Gen Z and then one kind of in the middle and in all those three
vaginal delivery experiences and all those years that span no one said
anything about pelvic floor therapy
so again this could be something that's
changing I hope so and you just reference grace a previous guest if
anyone's interested go check out her
episode she talked about it like that
was just normal like probably how people said to me Duke Eagles now
they're saying pelvic floor therapy I
don't know me or maybe she may just be
you know very proactive of her own
health and has searched that out but for
me and for I think most Gen X women
pelvic floor therapy was not discussed
well I think it's not just the
younger generation of women but it's also an
evolutionary thing right women do get
better health care today than they do
30 years ago now you still probably you
know yeah I don't want to go down that
whole rabbit hole but it's evolutionary
thing where it'll just your issues will
still you know get tended to a little
better than they have before because
women are gonna talk about it yeah and
because Gen X women are talking about it
especially so what's happened here is
as Gen X women are hitting midlife we're
talking about all the things and we're
changing the narrative so because we're
going to shout it out and then the younger generations certainly are
shouting it out so I think the combination of us bringing things to
light or at least getting it out there
and then the younger generations just
kind of demanding it in some ways because we've raised them that way I
think that there's gonna be a complete
change of narrative but it's gonna be
because of women it's like it's
gonna 100% be because of women there's no
question this all kind of started yes
when I had children but I didn't know so
having children and then lack of
pelvic floor therapy is really the root but
then during perimenopause during my 40s
I developed fibroids or I had always had
them but they started being symptomatic
in a way of the symptoms were bleeding
I just was bleeding all the time I was having like two periods a month
sometimes like ten days of bleeding each
time or longer horrendous cramps like it
almost like if you're start the beginning of labor pain cramps now when
I was younger and had my period I had
horrendous cramps but then after I had
children my cramps less than significantly but then once I hit
perimenopause and I had these fibroids and the bleeding the cramps were
horrendous again and it did affect
my quality of life I would feel weak I
actually it made me anemic at times and
I would feel like I didn't have energy
or I'd be bleeding so heavily that I didn't feel like I could go and do
things like for any length of time
because I was afraid I was gonna bleed
through my tampon and even though I
could bring extra tampons with me there
was always that feeling of you could
put a tampon in and within 30 minutes you
could be gushing blood again and if
you're out like I had situations where I
bled through my pants and that
happens to young girls teenagers but as an
adult woman that was shocking to me
to be dealing with that where all of a
sudden I would have this gush of blood
and I'm in a I'm in a store and I'm like
bleeding through right and I'm rushing
to the bathroom and the type of bleeding
it was also had clots so there were times it was like you it was it was
almost like a murder scene it looked
like it was just bad it was what it would
be like you're cleaning up a murder
scene almost that's how it felt right
and imagine being in a public restaurant gonna say you're at Publix and
just yeah and that's what women can
go through whether they're dealing with
fibroids and bleeding or just
horrendous horrible periods you can end up in a
public restroom and feel like you need a
hazmat suit and gloves because you have
just you're bleeding everywhere and
it's it's horrendous it's absolutely
horrendous so this went on for a long
time and it got to the point where I
said to my gynecologist I can't do
this anymore it's affecting my quality of
life it's affecting me participating in
life I don't feel well and I don't have
energy my blood count was low like I
said I was anemic she suggests in an
ablation which is where they burn the
lining of your uterus they cauterize it
so you would still ovulate and your
body would still go through all the normal
stuff but you would not shed a lining
of a uterus which is what the when you
menstruate that's the blood I so I
still don't understand how that works but
that's that's what they do I'm just
curious like so when you ovulate like
how does your body like shed if you're a
blaze so I never looked that up I'm sure
somebody knows there's a risk though
that that would work but then like a
couple years later or three years
later or five years later I it would stop
working do you know because that's
yeah you've piqued my curiosity there the
fibroids do they open additional say
holes in your uterus which then causes
these additional bleeding and then
that's what they would cauterize or no
it'd be like a full-blown let's
cauterize you and chill you up because that
doesn't make sense either right yeah
so I don't know I don't know how they I
think I just would have so fibroids are
like benign tumors right so that's how I
describe them that's how I understand
them if I'm wrong someone definitely
correct me but so they would have
still been there but I would not have been
bleeding anymore hmm so I still would
have had the fibroids in me and that's
where it's like how was my how was would my body continue to function I
never went down that road so I didn't research it you can have fibroids
removed yeah I remember that you can
yeah you can have fibroids removed well
that wasn't an option for me they didn't
give me that option but I I know you can
the only options I was presented with
was ablation and then I didn't want to
do that because there was a risk of
if it doesn't work and it stops working
after like two years three years five years you're gonna have to have a
hysterectomy so I went and I got a
second opinion and he right away was like
and I love my original gynecologist
but she was very much pro-ablation I went
for a second opinion and he was like no
let's just get this out let's get this
out of you like why let's just get your
you know and I don't I still don't know
go right to the hysterectomy he's like let's just stop this I feel like
actually now that you say it you could
have the fibroid removal or suture or
cauterization or whatever was an option
but it was like that's a terrible option
let's skip right past that and that's
why I don't think you're an expert in
it right then you did the ablation might
be it was officially recommended it was
like mmm doesn't sound great either and
then it was to the hysterectomy so there
was sort of that bump down in choices
yeah I don't remember them presenting me
with an option to even just have the
fibroids I think because it was so they
were too far too far gone it's not
worth it because yeah so I went with the
hysterectomy because I kind of thought
because when you've been bleeding that
long and going through this subtle
trauma of bleeding out in like public
places and in your own home and not
being able to function it kind of gets
the point we're like that sounds great
the ablation but I don't want to be back
in this place I don't want to do this
again I want this done well there's an
age component too right it's not you
were 25 and this is happening right it
was when we were done having kids this
is true so if somebody was younger and
they still want to have a family
ablation totally makes sense yeah I was
done with my uterus you know we I was
so I'm 54 and so I would have been this
was in 2020 I'm gonna be 55 so this
would have been five years ago I was 50
and so it's obvious that I I was not
having any more children and so they
could just take the uterus so I chose
to go with the hysterectomy and I do not
regret that now I did they took my
uterus my tubes and my cervix they kept
my ovaries I said only take my
ovaries if it looks like there's issues with
them but I wanted to keep them
because I didn't want to be put into medical
menopause and they were they were still fun they were still functioning
producing hormones at that time so you
didn't want to just jump right into an
unnatural path I guess right although
now that I know about HRT I do wonder if
I would have been taking some hormone
replacement during perimenopause maybe
some progesterone if that would have
helped shrink the fibroids I look back
now because I've learned some things
and I wonder now I don't know but I wonder
if I could have taken some HRT if
that would have helped with managing the
fibroids and the bleeding I don't know
yeah but I still didn't want to be put
into medical menopause so they and
even though I was had some PCOS polycystic
ovarian syndrome meaning I would get
cysts on my ovaries and there's other
stuff that goes along with it I told
him if if everything's fine leave them and
he didn't feel what he saw that they
needed to be taken out so I kept my
ovaries and five years later they're still fine I mean they're not
functioning anymore but they're not
problematic correct yeah and I have gone
through for annual internal ultrasounds
every year to make sure that they're not
problematic so I showed cysts I continue
to show I continued to show cysts on my
ovaries up until a year ago but they
would just I would go in they'd see it
they'd have me come back two months
later and it would have ruptured on its
own but it's mainly to keep make sure
that it's not leading to ovarian cancer
so anyways had the hysterectomy I was happy with that decision that was
life-changing for anyone that's going
through that my biggest piece of advice
is rest after the surgery there is no
rush to start getting back to doing all
the things you can only heal once I
can't tell you how many women's accounts
I read about that they started doing
things too soon and they ended up back
in the hospital to repair the damage
from doing things too soon you can only
heal once correctly stop doing the
things insist on help and reach even if
you don't have family like reach out
to friends like I need help for the next
10 days you know you you shouldn't be
doing anything at the minimum 10 days I
was just gonna ask you that do you
recall the length of time I think for me
I was down for about that long or so
like where I wasn't doing much and then
for another week or two I still was
taking it pretty easy and then I like
even now I still won't lift certain the
things are too although I've gotten over
I have started I started lifting pretty
heavy stuff but it took me a long time
anyways life was fine everything was
good I rested I healed correctly didn't
have any issues didn't have any bleeding
everything healed up sex life was normal
like having the hysterectomy didn't
affect that and then I want to say three
and a half years in I noticed something
different I was in the shower and I was
like I feel like something has fallen
and I in my perineum area like it felt
lower so the perineum area probably
perineum perineum the perineum area felt
like it had gone down a little bit
and I was like that's weird but I didn't
know about prolapse that's weird yeah
so I was just like maybe this is just
aging and just like so many women are my
age and older we didn't say anything to
anyone and kept it to my I kept it to
myself and I was just like I don't know
what this is totally but I don't even I
didn't know how to even approach it and
so I think I finally at my
gynecological kind of my G Gino appointment I said
there I think I have prolapse and she's
like oh yeah man a little bit like she
didn't really take me totally seriously
like yeah maybe a little bit and still
didn't say anything still didn't say
like well you said something but what
else would you say be like hey this
thing fell no nothing yeah I just said it
feels like I just said I feel like I
have some prolapse going on and and I
might have said like I feel like something's gone lower and she's like
yeah you're a little weak down there
yeah it was something like that but even
then it wasn't like we should get you
going on pelvic floor therapy even then
how long ago that was like a year and a
half ago okay maybe almost two years ago
now probably almost two years ago
and and then every time I would go in I
would spring it up like I think I have
some prolapse yeah yeah you're kind of
weak and that was it and finally I
said I want to go to someone to have a
specialist to have this looked at and she was like okay and then she
recommended someone and so I went to
your gynecologist and that's a whole
thing I had no idea what to expect going
to your gynecologist I had no idea what
they were gonna do I thought I was just
going in for like an appointment to talk
about what's going on what really drove
me to finally be like I want to go see
someone is they it just felt a
heaviness more and more and eventually it
felt like something was kind of starting
to press out of my vaginal area it's not
like something separate them from me was
coming out it was almost like the tissues
were being pressed out I think we
talked about that's like not a like a like a
hemorrhoid that's like a hemorrhoid
no no you're saying you had additional
pressure on that area they kind of
like yes it's like it's like almost like
weight was on that area so the inside
was being pressed out it's not like a
thing that was coming out if that makes sense going back to the to the
gynecological review I guess maybe I don't know what you call that your
gynecologist and her saying oh yeah
you're a little weak what was that like
how would she know is that during like
exam time yeah like where they use the
spectrum now once I had a hysterectomy
I didn't have to have pap smears anymore
where they take a swab of tissues from
your cervix with like a long q-tip they
put the speculum in the metal thing
they open you up I have no idea yeah I know
I'm telling you they stick a long
q-tip take tissue off your cervix and they
send it in for testing to make sure
you don't have cancerous cells that's why
they do it and then they do a visual to
make sure everything looks okay for me
it became just a visual mm-hmm and then
I think and then they do insert sometimes
a finger to feel the inside part of
your vaginal wall and I that's when I think
she was like you're weak okay she could
feel that my that area was probably very
pliable if that makes sense it was I'm
almost I'm almost equating it to like if
I flex my bicep there's you know you
get a little tighter right as if you
don't it's right is it almost like that
it's I well I mean I don't know what is
the inside of my vaginal wall I I
think it's like it probably knew she's a
doctor give probably that it was supposed to wasn't as firm or tight or
strong and so in the perineum area it
was probably very weak she could feel it
was that's what she meant she could
physically feel okay there's probably
more give here mm-hmm and that's
where I'm like and maybe by that point I
would have been too far gone for
pelvic floor therapy so there wasn't a point
even recommending it I don't know but
but there was almost no recommendation
it was almost like a you know yeah
yeah and I don't know and I like her a lot
so I'm not faulting her but I think it
may be just as a cultural thing in that
we the medical industry does not focus
on pelvic floor health of women enough
I wonder which blows my mind because
our bodies are being used to produce the
next generations if it wasn't for us
life would stop right we produce the
next generations out of our bodies
wouldn't our pelvic floors be something
that the medical industry should prioritize in women but it's like just
now really where it's normal that
people are talking about well it's still not
prioritized by the medical industry
I don't think I think it's driven by
women yeah but it's like all health
care both men women children seniors cancer
patients whatever you have to drive
your own health you have to be your own
advocate you have to be your own advocate especially as a woman yeah
because so we don't have this stuff
you're talking about us guys obviously
obviously yeah this is not a thing this
is some wild stuff well no and so many
studies have been done on men too and
then just trying those results are just
transferred over well it's good enough
for men in other areas of medicine so
it's a whole thing but um so I went
to the your the urogynecologist and it
wasn't just hey this is what's going
on it was oh while you're here you're
gonna have a procedure done it was called a video cystocope I think I'm
saying it right says cystocope it's
where they put a camera up your urethra
to look in your bladder to make sure
there's no tumors she had to clear that
first so they spend time getting a baseline before they do anything oh
interesting is it is the concept there
maybe if there's a tumor in your bladder
it'll create the pressure that may be a
false indicator of the prolapse possibly
or let's make sure we're not dealing
with a bigger issue like cancer yeah they
have to rule that out basically I
cannot that cannot be comfortable not at all
yeah so they do some latikin on the
outside latikin gel yeah no it's like
having a catheter put in that's insane
no it's like well literally I think how
when is the catheter went in and then
she put the camera through the catheter
so I think that's how it went I don't
know I was literally like when I made
the appointment no one let's here's
another thing no one said by the way
there's a chance you're gonna have this
procedure done at this first appointment
so I'm thinking we were gonna sit in
chairs and talk I'm now laying back like
I'm at a gynecology a gyno exam looking
up at the ceiling thinking okay what the
fuck so breathing because it's a lot
of that for women and gyno appointments
there's a lot of pain and just like
with having birth there's a lot of breathe
through it breathe through it it's
like okay mind you if this was men there
would be pain medicine there would be I
know there would be 100% no so I did so
they did that it was all clear and then
she I don't know if it was through that
or her exam I'm trying to remember now
but they came to the conclusion that a
lot of prolapse can be going forward in
your body or it can be going backwards
or coming straight down so for me it's
going back it's called like a rectisil
I'm probably saying it wrong but it's
where it's a prolapse of the posterior
compartment so the anterior compartment
would be where it's going forward towards
you mine's posterior so I'm getting
more pressure on my bowels whereas for
women where it's anterior are getting
more pressure I think on their bladder
and they have I think end up with incontinence or where they're leaking
urine or they pee when they laugh or
cough or sneeze I don't have that so
it's hold on I have a thing here it's
called stress urinary incontinence I
don't have that I'm not leaking urine so
my lot of times when you say thing yeah
a lot of times when you say prolapse
people automatically think it's related
to bladder and you're becoming incontinent and that is true in some
situations but in my situation that's
not it it's going backwards and that's
why I felt like something in that
perinium area fell because it's leaning
back and then the way it was also
described is from the middle it's kind
of going down so where it was like flat
the middle part is now of my body is now
coming caving in on itself a little bit
caving in and then going back as opposed
to forward and so that can cause issues
with like constipation right so for me
like I have to have celery juice every
morning if I don't I am constipated like
I'll go but I'm not like it's not how it
should be or I have to have like smooth
move tea and I didn't some type of
laxative but I won't do like the pills
but a natural laxative right fiber
yeah I I thought that was just maybe like
perimenopause because that's a symptom
of menopause and it could be also I think
that's the challenge right because
yeah you've got this whole biological
chemistry lab experiment ecosystem happening yeah and there's a lot of
crossover and hell at least from what I've learned right it's either
perimenopause just some random shit from
child birth now the prolapse right yeah
exactly and so I didn't totally understand it's probably it's
physically affecting that so so that's
part of that too I do think that's an
important part though you just brought
up especially obviously for any women
listening there's the anterior the
posterior I think it there's the straight
down yeah but they all present
themselves with slight what you touched on it they
all have slightly different symptoms
yeah but they could ultimately be the
same thing with the same resolution
yes and it depends on the severity so I
think it's graded like zero to five and
I'm a low four yeah I was gonna ask you
that because you'd mentioned that the
other day when you're looking at your
option my prolapse and that could be
when you go back to like when you were
doing the the gyno exam and she's like
it's a little weak maybe you were staged
to zero or one yeah fast forward now
you're four and it's like well shit yeah I
can't imagine five right no no so now
I'm so okay so they they I leave that
appointment and not knowing what my
results this was this was like a year ago
or no it wasn't that long ago right yeah okay and then they said okay
now your next thing you have to do is a euro euro
dynamic testing again I had never heard
of this before in my life and I couldn't
get into that until I want to say August or something it was like a few
months and so euro dynamic testing is interesting and maybe we'll put a
picture of the chair I had to sit in on
the video part of some people could see
it looks like a torture device chair
it's almost like if when you lean back
and you put your legs in the syrups
for an annual exam but you're sitting
straight up so your legs are in
stirrups kind of knees up you're sitting
on a chair that's open has a cone
open and then there's like a container
underneath there right it's like medieval I bet I bet anything it was
designed by a man of male engineer
okay so I walk into that room and look at
that chair and I was like I bet
anything they have a nickname for it right the
letter here in Florida they call it
Sparky I bet there's some random I don't
I can't even it's one of those things
women go through where we're just like
really so they say arrive with your
bladder pretty full which is interesting
because then they you sit in there and
they fill your bladder hold on I actually
have it here I want to say it correctly
wait they say you show up full bladder
it's like all right drink it go on a
water fairly full like comfortably full
okay but then I okay so then I think
what they do is if I remember correctly I
think they had me go they had me go I
think and they it's a thing the thing
underneath was measuring how much I
went just on my own I think that's what
it was and then they did it's called a filling
systematry and they put a catheter into
into my bladder and they filled it with
sterile water I'm reading this it
almost this sounds like a vaginal enema yeah
they filled it yeah and it says this
measures how much your bladder can hold
your sensation of fullness and how
your bladder muscles behave after your
bladder is filled you will be asked to
urinate this test measures the flow of
urine and the pressure in your bladder
during urination you will be asked to
urinate into a special toilet that
measures how much and how quickly you
urinate that's the thing that was
underneath me sometimes small electrodes
are placed near your pelvic floor muscles to measure the electrical
activity in these muscles as you try to
hold and release urine I had that they
put the electrodes on me so I had
that now during it there's a picture and
maybe we'll put the picture up but it's
like the sensation stages like you don't
really feel like you have to go stage
one kind of feeling like you might have
to go stage two stage three is like
yeah I have to go in stage four is like I'm
gonna pee my pants type of thing and
so she basically filled I don't know how
she measured how much to fill me up
maybe until I said I don't know I can't
remember now but she filled me up and
then I just had to hold it and tell them
when I when I was at each stage and
then well so there's some arbitrary thing
that they're filling you up and
you're like oh I'm a little full I'm up you
know then you get to that final phase
you're like I'm about to piss my pants
that that was that yeah I was supposed
to say and then I think they stopped and
then she they wanted to make sure that
once they do the prolapse that I'm not
gonna be incontinent meaning is the
prolapse kind of like when you oh maybe
it's working what do you call it when
you do do a hose you crimp it you crimp
it so is the prolapse actually crimping
my bladder and once they fix it will I
be incontinent they wanted to make sure
my that they're getting a true read on
my bladder so she actually would like
put an instrument inside of me and like
lift the prolapse during this
procedure as I'm sitting in this chair and then
could you feel it like rolling around
inside your body or is it more like no
almost like that you're pressure pressure pressure and then I would pee
and then stop peeing so and then she
with the electrodes and stuff she would
gauge was I able to stop peeing on my
own or not and we did that a few times
because they're trying to make sure the
prolapse isn't crimping the bladder and
so through that testing if they did
confirm I don't have incontinence I can
stop now I can't stop like you know you
don't know but like women when we have
to go pee in a toilet at the doctor's
they give you a wipe and they want you
to pee like for a little bit like two
seconds three seconds and then take the
wipe clean yourself and then pee in the
cup because they don't want any outside
bacterial going in the cup I used to be
able to do that no problem not anymore
there is that's not happening more so I
can I don't have incontinence but if I
start I'm not stopping so when we were
doing it it was weird because I would I
would maybe maybe I didn't pee she
had me just bear down I think she had me
just bear down and then not bear down
and I during that's what it was and I
think during the bearing down I didn't
have any urine leakage so they knew okay
you're not incontinent so I was just
what is bearing down women will know but
I'm the only guy in the room right
how does that even though like I mean I
mean you're pushing so bearing down
would be almost like if you're trying to
push out a bowel movement or a baby you
know you've heard that with labor when
you when you go to push a baby out of
your vagina you're supposed to use the
same feeling as if you're going to
having to push out a bowel movement and
then the bowel movement cancels the urination event no no just so she's
having me bear down to push my pelvic
floor muscles down well to make sure
that when I bear down I'm not leaking
urine I'm not peeing so she's making
sure them all right women all understand women all understand yeah so
through that they confirmed I don't have
incontinence and then they were like okay
now go ahead and pee and they're all in
the room mm-hmm I and I couldn't pee with
them in the room I just sitting in
that chair mind you my legs are spread and
syrups okay so my legs are up on like
not insert like over this contraption
and I'm sorry and I'm in a public open
room and I'm supposed to just now relax
and pee and they they left pretty soon
after because and I'm sure it was pretty
I could tell was normal a lot of women I
think I've issue and I had to just like
focus and be like you have to just be
I mean I've never peed like that in my
life where I'm just sitting there
spread-eagled in a room air-conditioner
blasting I can hear people in the
hallway talking and I'm supposed to just
pee it was the it was actually it felt
humiliating but it wasn't meant to be
that way but it just felt it felt I was
so vulnerable and I was and again I was
like I cannot believe this is happening
you got to get into like camping or like
concert mode or something yeah but even
then you're bent down it's just different
I was like leaning back oh true so it
wasn't even like a natural hose no I'm
kind of back a little I was kind of
back so I wasn't even like sitting up
yeah so I finally peed but I did so
they did say that I'm probably not getting
rid of all the urine and the prolapse
should when they fix it should help with
that were so we went through the Eurodynamic testing got all that done
and this is like some medieval shit
really it felt that way but but it's I
until they figure out a different way
to do this check off the electrodes and
you know getting what you were describing us like why the hell did they
need to do this just let's fix it but but it makes sense the way you
check everything like in the beginning
the first thing was to make sure we're
not dealing with bladder cancer the
second thing is to make sure she could
fix everything and then I'm incontinent
so if that's gonna happen she's like I
want to fix that while I'm in there so
then we talked about what are my options
and women have a few options when it
comes to prolapse one of them is it's
called like I think a pest passary it's
where they actually you put it up inside
of you to like hold the prolapse up it's
something that you would get fitted and
I think you would have it not it's not
like a diaphragm concept but kind of I
think and I think you would have to have
it replaced like you'd have to get a new
one it's like an object that would
hold you up I think the next one is to use
your own tissues to lift everything up
so kind of like cut and stitch cut and
stitch I think is what they're talking
about and hope that your tissues will
heal up and hold you in place the
next one is to use like a mesh to lift
everything up and it attaches to the
back of you almost like near your tail
bone and then in extreme cases for
women who are no longer sexually active in
their life at all they'll just close
you up which I had never even heard of
before that part of your body yeah
because if you're just let it go to the
floor but it'll stop yeah it'll stop
right so what you're describing then it's
holding in your abdominal cavity
right your vaginal your pelvic organs your
vaginal your your your vagina your uterus if you still have one your
rectum okay all right like that whole
area it's not your intestinal cavity and
your stomach that's like no no no no so
it actually says it what is pelvic organ
prolapse this condition refers to the
bulging or herniation of one or more
pelvic organs into or out of the vagina
the pelvic organs consists of the uterus
vagina bowel and bladder okay so it
is the bowel yeah pelvic organ prolapse
occurs when the muscles ligaments and
fascia which is a network of supporting
tissue that hold these organs in
their correct positions become weakened so
symptoms include a heavy dragging feeling in the vagina or lower back
feeling of a lump in the vagina or
outside the vagina urinary symptoms such
as slow urinary stream a feeling of incomplete bladder emptying urinary
frequency or urgent desire to pass
urine and urinary stress incontinence bowel
symptoms such as difficulty moving
the bowel or a feeling of not emptying
properly or needing to press on the vaginal wall to empty the bowel or
discomfort during sexual intercourse
but yeah the the pelvic organs are the
vagina the uterus the bowel and what was
the last one I said the bladder which I
didn't know that I didn't know those
were considered the poll I didn't know
that which makes sense duh the rectum is
connected to the intestines that's part
of your pelvic floor yeah but we all
oversimplify that it we we pictured as
being like the end of the tube type
of thing right there it's all connected
there yeah and it's not like free-floating this shit sounds like it's
all free-floating I think so because
yeah no there's nothing that's like
holding it so then when you were so I
did ask like why did this happen like
and they she said you've had three vaginal bursts and that's the main
reasoning and I asked did the hysterectomy have anything to do with it
and she said maybe a little bit because
without the uterus there to maybe kind
of hold some things up but she said it's
not the cause she's like that's it's just
all kind of went in together so she says
it's mainly from the three vaginal bursts
yeah so again pelvic floor therapy
after you know and if you're predisposed
like genetically I don't know I've
because none of the women in my family
have talked about this so I don't know
because they say like one in three women
experienced some form of prolapse but
only one in nine women will need surgery
mm-hmm I need surgery there is no
fixing this without surgery and so wait wait
what were the what were those stats
again one in three women have some form
of prolapse but only one in nine will need surgery it's actually a high
percentage yeah one in three one in
three women will have prolapse and out
of those one out of nine it's a lot of
women I think so yes mathematically a
lot yeah no one's talking about it it's
interesting so for me because of my age
I'm still young and still and because
God willing have years still to live
here right I hope the mesh is what
she recommended to bring everything up
because there's a concern if I use my
own tissues we may be back in doing the
surgery when those give out again and
then I'll just need a mesh it's kind of
compared to the ablation if that fails
I'm gonna need a hysterectomy anyways if
the using my own tissue fails I'm gonna
need a mesh anyways so I so and then I
did go to get a second opinion I did not
with my hysterectomy but I've learned in
my old age to all no matter what you're
having done get a second opinion and I
went to a man and he was recommended
to me by the man who did my hysterectomy
the the doctor who did my hysterectomy
doesn't take our insurance so I couldn't
go to him even for a second opinion
which was unfortunate because I liked him he
recommended this other doctor I like
that doctor a lot he agreed with what
she was saying he didn't he gave his
own diagnosis of how it should be resolved
and it matched hers so then I felt okay
like he felt yes mesh it's I think you
also researched it right yeah yeah AI
that whatever yeah robotic laparoscopic
robotics so which was my hysterectomy
it's where they do small cuts in your
abdomen and they do it robotically and
I don't know how I don't know anything
about that but he even said that he
could probably use the same scars for my
hysterectomy scars I haven't even talked
to her about that so I'm gonna have that
done I'm gonna I'm going to have the
surgery done so there and then she so
where I'm going it's all women it's
a women's Center she's obviously the
director of the Center not obviously
but she's the director of the Center but
then her whole staff I think most of
her staff is women there are men there
but it's mostly women very female
centered she did say to me towards the
end of our appointment do you want me to
just remove your ovaries so it eliminates
any risk of ovarian cancer in the
future since they're no longer producing
hormones and I was like yeah and I said
how do you do that she goes we just cut
and cauterize and then you don't have to
I said I thought once they are done they
just kind of shrivel up and you don't
have to worry about ovarian cancer and
she said no you still have to worry
about ovarian cancer so she added that
and then she did say when she was
examining me she said do you feel loose
during sex and I made a joke like I've
had no complaints from my husband and I
laughed but they didn't laugh because they're being serious and they're
they're women-centered so they don't
give a shit about you and so then I was
like well yeah it's looser from having
children and she's like do you want me
to know I she goes it I'd like to fix
this up like she could she's gonna do a
I wrote it it's a parion I'm gonna say wrong
Perinea or off a fee yeah it's a tightening of the perineum so she's
gonna do laparoscopic robotic I
believe for the prolapse and the ovaries but
then she will be working on the
outside of me and she said basically she does
like a cut and then re-sews everything
up and restructures so she's gonna kind
of like tighten up the area close it up
more basically from the outside give me
more support you know what I mean like
she's gonna close things up a little bit
to give my pelvic floor areas more
support so in the healing it won't just
be internal healing it'll be
external which will be interesting because I
didn't deal with that with the hysterectomy it was all internal healing
so this should be interesting now what's
funny not funny but a few days ago I got
a call well like a last week from what
her nurse practitioner well no this was
from her nurse practitioner she has
more and more of an official name I feel
bad but saying that even though my insurance has deemed everything
medically necessary they are denying
part of it and I didn't know what part
they were denying so she's like I have
to ask you some questions so she just
asked me stuff like you know has this
affected your quality of life what do
you feel anything kind of coming out do
you feel a heaviness like just kind of
reiterating like my symptoms and then
she goes okay I'm gonna go now meet with
the peer-to-peer review board and fight
for you and then a few days ago I get a
call from someone at the hospital and
all she said was your surgery was denied
your insurance denied your surgery is
what she said which completely upset me
and I was like what what do you mean
and she's like yeah they're not gonna take
your uterus and they denied taking
your uterus and ovaries or something and I
said I don't have a uterus and she's
like well they denied taking your tubes
and ovaries and I'm like I don't have
tubes and I said could you pull up my
information so you know what we're
talking about and then she pulled up the
codes and she's like yeah so they're
denying your this code is ovaries and
then the other one surgery and I'm
like so are they denying my entire surgery
and she's like yeah and so I said can
you have someone call me that knows what
they're it's like she was just
spouting information in such a way she was
ignorant to what she was saying and
it was so upsetting to me because it
sounded like you can't get your prolapse
fixed and then the nurse practitioner I
had spoken to last week well you're
you're under selling it a little bit
because you did try to find out from
her but she wasn't she had no clue what
she was doing she didn't know this is
good and I mentioned it because it goes
back to you have to advocate for
yourself yeah because you were ready to
if you would have just been like okay
yeah and then walked away I don't know
what you know the outcome would be
different instead you kind of lit her
up pretty good but I rightfully so I
was sitting here in the next room thinking
oh my gosh yeah I wasn't like mean to
her not at all it was no it was business
like I I need to know what's going on
but I was just to be clear I wasn't like
boomerish with very respectful but I
was like no no we're finding out because
you're right if if I was a different
personality I would have thought my
entire surgery was canceled yeah so
again be your own advocate ask questions
my dad was a doctor they're just regular
people don't have this whole like their
God complex with them you have to ask
questions of these people so I said could
you have someone call me that knows what
I'm doing wait about my case and so the
nurse practitioner called I actually
there's a portal and you can message
them and then I messaged her people
and I said look this just happened could
someone please call me and so she called
me and she's like I don't know who called
you like she was flabbergasted over that
and she goes but we did have the peer to
peer review and it was a man and he
wouldn't even tell me his name and it was
a doctor and he denied it and I told
him this denied what well that's at first
in it now and she's like he wouldn't
budge and I'm like wait what is he did
not what's being denied is it my whole
surgery she goes no no no the prolapse is
good and I was like okay I'm thinking
okay fine because really that's all I
care about he's denying the removal
of my ovaries and they're saying we're
already in there and for her health for
women's health like justify why we can't
remove the ovaries and he's just felt
it wasn't medically necessary but he was
a GP towards the end she's like are you
a specialist so I near a gynecology and
he he's no he was just a general practitioner like a primary physician
and she said I'm gonna appeal this and
he goes you can appeal it because when
she asked his name he's like I'm not
giving you my name you can look it up on
the file and it's just offensive it
was such such a dick such a dick and you
know honestly unnecessary I honestly
I'm I think if it was she would have been
talking to a female doctor I don't know about that happened I did I was
just about to say I don't think it was a guy
versus male versus female I think he's
just an asshole he's had whatever maybe
having a bad day just a dickhead whatever but that's just human I don't
know I I think that when it comes to
stuff like that though it's easier for
men to thousand percent associate
about certain things because they just they
can't relate with half a brain knows
medically cancer is a cellular event why
leave things in your body that are dying
or dead and just sitting there that's a
potential landscape to attack and
ovarian cancer again you don't have to
be the smartest person but it's one of
the most lethal right you don't want to
get ovarian cancer the survival rates
not great right and I think that's why
so then she said we're gonna appeal to a
specialist and I'm dr. Babb my doctor is
going to go is going to go head-to-head
with them I think directly so I they're
determined so I said listen I appreciate
that you're fighting on my behalf thank
you because honestly I really I'm more
worried about the prolapse but yeah I
would love to have the ovaries removed
too and I love that they're fighting for
me yeah it really means a lot so I have
an appointment with my endocrinologist
this week because it's my regular
appointment with her but I also want to
talk to her about like my thyroid and
make sure everything's good it's kind of
a pre screening before surgery and then
I go to my primary care they have to do
pre-op appointment to clear me for
surgery then I go to the hospital and
they do tests to clear me for surgery
and then my surgery is next month and I
think I'll be in the hospital I
think she said two nights and three days
something like that and then of course
rest I'm pretty sure she said that rest
I think she said you'll be ready to
roll yeah yeah yeah I need your husband's
help right yeah right but what I'm
having done I actually have the paperwork
here the actual surgery is called a sacral
papexe it's S a C R a L C O L P O P E
X Y a procedure to restore pelvic organ
support by attaching the top of the
vagina to the sacrum tailbone using a
synthetic mesh this aims to correct
pelvic organ prolapse and improve pelvic
stability so and then I'm having the
the tightening of the print perineum which
I'm not even gonna try to pronounce
that again but it's spelled P E R I N E O R
R H A P H Y you're gonna need like
phonics for medical term I know and then
the removal of the ovaries so and I had
to sign all this paperwork of all these
you know it's so involved but I'm scared
you know I'm scared of surgery I'm gonna
be honest the only thing that makes me
worried is I want to wake up that's all
I care about I want to wake up so and
I know that people get surgery all the
time but that's my biggest concern
but I know that also this could be life
changing for me for in so many different ways to have my pelvic floor
repaired which is basically what's being
done I don't think I'm going to realize
how uncomfortable I've been until it's
been repaired and then I'm gonna realize
I've been living with this you know
do you know what are the potential side
effects or if it goes sideways like so
the risks are you know yeah good so the
risks are infection obviously the
normal risks no no I'm thinking like will you
have will you would you be incontinent
would you you know if they fuck it up do
you get the little bag type of thing I
mean yeah there's always there's risks
that yeah if they ruin if they damage organ yeah then we're looking at
malpractice even though I signed
stuff hopefully I didn't sign that away
no if everything goes right this should
be it let's say if something goes if it
fails I think I'll be really elderly you
know what I mean like I think it's this
is supposed to get me I think and
you're skipping ahead to like the meshes work
and it's all good you're like I feel
great it's wonderful where I'm going I
don't think you've looked into it and I
haven't we haven't talked about it but
it's the or what if what if something
doesn't go right does it mean now you
are incontinent or that you can't have
a bowel movement that well we haven't
looked into that I guess that's
probably have a look at I mean part of it's not
that you got to do what you got to do
right and I mean I think it gets the
point where if you have to have something done at least for myself too
much information is gonna give me so
much anxiety I don't want to go into
it ignorant I don't think I am but all
the what ifs what's my other option not
doing anything and living like this and
then it just gets progressively worse and
I get older so the older you get the
more risk things are with surgery all
right so then some of the more inherent
risks would be if the rest of your you
know they put this mesh in which is an
artificial thing in your body object and
the expectation is for your tissue and
you're within your body to overgrow it
you know and make it all part of the
if it doesn't maybe those are complications yeah okay yeah but either
way this is supposed to be a permanent
fix pretty there could be some lifespan
associated to it but I'm what I'm saying
is you would expect to be able to have a
normal bowel movement you're gonna urinate and maybe say they say stop
halfway you probably do it type of thing
that's the expectation or the hope maybe
I don't know if they can strengthen my
pelvic wall to that point but where I
could stop mainstream that would be
amazing I'd be shocked but um I think
okay so one issue and they did prescribe
me estrogen cream and I was supposed to
be doing it twice a week but I'm on
estrogen patch twice a week so they did
have to lower the dose and I have forgotten to do it at different times
I haven't been doing as much as I
should I'm gonna start doing it regularly you
really should I know but I know but
the holidays it was just hard because you
have to do it at night before bed and to
be honest with you and it's only twice a
week I get that but there were times I
fell asleep without I just didn't mean
to fall asleep right so it's now I'm
more on it but you do that before to
make sure the tissues inside your vagina
are healthy but because I'm on the patch
that helps with that and then they will
up me up my dosage and I will continue
to do it I think for like nine to twelve
weeks after to keep the tissues healthy
and then I think I may have to do it
this is what I thought she said like
for the rest of my life do some estrogen cream but because I'm on the
estradiol patch I don't know if I
will so I'll be curious what she says but
part of the reason of doing the cream
this is my point is there is a risk that
if the mesh scar tissue doesn't grow
around the mesh correctly it could end
up coming through the vaginal wall the
mesh could kind of almost wear down the
tissues of the vaginal wall and come
through and if that's the case I'd have
to have surgery to repair that again
but I think the estrogen cream is to
strengthen that vaginal wall the
tissues there so that they're strong you know
they're not atrophied yeah because as
you go through perimenopause as you go
through menopause let's say if you're
not on an HRT everything dries up and it
starts the tissues can start to kind of
age and atrophy I've been on HRT because
you're kind of I know you I just saw
your eyebrows because that's your that
has not been our experience right
that's because I've been on HRT everything
there has stayed normal but I so I think
that's where the estrogen cream comes in
for people that aren't on HRT my eye
position was more at such a I know being
like guy is just such a different thing
it is you guys in here all this shit is
nuts well because think about it with
your reproductive area it's closed right
we're open so we're more susceptible
to to all kinds of different things it's
just we're more vulnerable but so I've
been doing the estrogen cream but not
consistently but I'm going to be doing
that and then I'm just hoping that scar
tissue grows around it and becomes a
part of my body yeah I know there's
there's a lot of mixed opinions on mesh
but it's not a sling she said that she
goes you don't have it's not a bladder
sling because I don't have incontinence I
don't need a bladder sling it's mesh
used it's like basically bringing the
way or pulling everything up they're
it's pulling everything up so so that's
next month and so what I'm gonna do is
I'm going to make a video after each of
my doctor's appointments leading up
to the surgery and just kind of inform
everyone what happened in that appointment and what was said and then
we'll I'll talk about the surgery you
know after the surgery you make you may
make a video while I'm in surgery just
keeping everyone up to date who might be
interested and then I'll talk about
the recovery from the surgery and the
results I mean hopefully they're positive and it's life-changing for me
but again I think I'm talking about
this because this needs to be discussed
because this does happen to women and
I think for a lot of women it can be
embarrassing and there's nothing women
should be embarrassed about this is like
a result of having children something a
miracle we do and I think society needs
to frickin honor that and be like okay
we need to take care of our women and
this part of their body that they've
sacrificed to give life and I think
pelvic floor therapy should be written
like a prescription with everything else
before a woman leaves the hospital like
here's your Tylenol if they even do that
I didn't even know they don't do Tylenol
no more but whatever it is that they do
and then also here's a six-week
pelvic floor therapy that's covered by your
insurance it's imperative it's
almost like we need a pelvic floor therapy
guest yes pelvic floor therapist yeah
to talk about there's anyone out there
would like to come on but I think Gen X
women and women older than us we're we're
not served in this area at all but I
think Gen Z women and millennial women
are definitely bringing it to light and
things have changed so for a lot of us
Gen X women though there's a lot of
us that have prolapse and it's it's not
being talked about so I'm talking about
it and that's kind of where I'm at with
this journey so far so I'm gonna keep
listeners up to date I'm probably just
gonna make like camera videos after my
doctor's appointments I don't think it's
gonna be a studio video and then
well you know but when we do a follow-up
afterwards maybe we'll do a short episode just talking about the whole
process because I'm sure there's gonna
be more interactions with doctors with
administrators just different things we
encountered with the insurance hopefully
they approve the removal of my
ovaries we're still waiting on that we don't
have an answer yet they're still fighting for that that may not be
something I find out until literally
the day before so but I'll include the the
different words I said I'll include
those in the show notes so everything I
discussed I'll write out the official
medical terms in the show notes so if
anyone's going through this and is curious you can look up all this
different stuff and for anyone
younger if you're gonna have children please
insist or look into pelvic floor
therapy and that would be my advice so did you
have anything else you wanted to say no
no I mean it's all remarkable and just
insane quite frankly I worry about far
different things as a guy and none of
it's related to thank God quite frankly
I'm doing okay I'm pretty healthy here
so no that's related to my abdominal
or reproductive or bowel or urinary
function sorry I mean it's crazy yeah
I mean I think with you guys prostate
right yeah you guys have a hell even
that slow growing and I don't even know
if it's painful you wind up finding out
about it through a PSA test and now you
don't they don't even do the they do it
to your blood now it's an amazing thing
so but even that's not painful or you
know compared to what you're describing
and if you do it normally I mean you know from a well I guess from my
perspective my dad had cancer he had
prostate cancer then he had pancreatic
cancer which then took over his
stomach and it's colon or colon yeah so I'm
getting checked I've do the colonoscopy
starting at 40 I think I do the PSA or I
so I'm I'm all over it as best I can
and you hope the testing is effective and
then if I show up positive with
something I guess it's on but for now so far so
good yeah you know and that's more
like related to cancer that's just aging
shitty diet things like hereditary
genetic things right but environmental
things all that but that it's not what
you're talking about this is crazy this
is just women being women and and
it's you know no it's a full pelvic floor
repair yeah because like I said she's
not only going to be fixing stuff on the
inside of me she's gonna be fixing stuff
on the outside too yeah so no I I'm kind
of overwhelmed I'm probably gonna
ask for a Xanax to take the morning of
because I just I have a lot of anxiety
I have about it for a while well what's
interesting too is easy whole opioid
crisis debacle shit show yeah I know I'm
curious to see how they handle your
pain management because they're just not
giving them out that's free and like
they used to right it used to be candy
here take this and now you're fucking
addicted they're managing that better
but it does come with the I don't know
I'm curious to see how they handled that
for you so in 2020 after my hysterectomy they prescribed me probably
oxy was something yeah Percocets oxy
yeah but I but I didn't get a ton but I
got it I only took those the first day
home and then I switched over to Tylenol
mm-hmm but um what it wasn't like a
huge amount so I think it was already
starting but you're right I bet you
it'll be even less which I'm fine I'm
fine I don't want to get a never feel
no finish one of those prescriptions no
no and they use strong like on me they
for the hysterectomy they use the strong
stuff like fentanyl and yeah yeah ox any
and oxy something I mean that was during
the surgery con done coat code in it's
not coding but yeah yeah but anyways they
used all that during the surgery so
I'm sure they do that still but as far as
going home yeah it'll be I don't know
it'll all be interesting we'll document
it but again wanting to get it out there
share it for any listeners any women that
may be going through this or to
educate younger women to help maybe prevent
something like this the last thing
I'll say I do think it's a remarkable
thing that I think it's cool you're
sharing this it's really putting it out
there right this is very personal so
I do think it's cool you're willing to
share it and such a personal thing
yeah but I do think there's a huge public
service benefit for other women so
yeah even if it's just one woman learn
something or feels validated or maybe
gives them the incentive to mention it
to their gynecologist because like I
said it at first I didn't say anything to
anyone because it's like I didn't you
don't know you're like what I had no idea
I had no idea and I think it goes back
to that whole you've got a lot of air a
cocktail of shit going on at once you
hit 50s right or 40 or 40s and stuff
there so there's a lot going on and I
think it all co-mingles and you know you
know it doesn't it's not clear it's
process of elimination yeah yeah cuz I
also have thyroid disease that I'm always like is this thyroid is this
perimenopause is this menopause now no
this is actually just your pelvic floor
has completely fallen and you need surgery to repair it you know what I
would say stop drinking everybody
stop drinking so that it doesn't even get
convoluted with either hangovers or
anything like that too oh you mean like
thyroid disease together so it's
that's a whole nother level playing field I
mean on that note I think what you have
menopause it's so hard to drink like your
body just does not process it at all
like even if you want to I did there's
something physiological at least for me
and I I've I've seen other women mention
this that their body just isn't processing the alcohol so but no
obvious yeah not abstaining from
alcohol is life-changing we've done a whole
episode on that so anyways if there's
any listeners as always that want to
leave comments or questions we welcome
them and feel free to join in on this
journey if this is way too much information TMI and you are not
interested we completely understand but
we're putting it out there for the women
even if it just helps one woman then
this whole episode was worth it so as
always thank you for listening and we'll see you next time bye