Episode 46 - Overdevelopment and the SAVE BOCA Movement

[Music] Welcome to GenX Adulting and for this episode we are going to get a little personal. Well I guess we've gotten very personal. Personal and political I think. I don't know about political, we try to stay out of politics but we have gotten incredibly personal in past episodes I guess but. This is nothing in comparison. Yeah true true. And it's political and local politics. True local politics that's very true. So this is currently personal. It's about the town we live in and there's some controversy going on that's surrounding some open space public land that is 31 acres of open space and within that there is 17 acres called Memorial Park which was dedicated to World War II vets in 1947 and our local government wants to put this 31 acres of open land open space in our downtown area into the hands of developers so that they can build housing, hotel, stores. Put the picture up. This is the mock up, the plan of it and if you look at our video or we did a short a couple days ago, um, taking pictures of the tennis courts that were there, the park, the basketball courts, our community center, the softball fields, the skate park, the children's museum. It would all be replaced with this monstrosity of just crap to be honest with you. It's a, it's a hotel, maybe more than one hotel, housing, stores, cafes, restaurants. We have old growth banyan trees all over a lot of this open space and there's been mixed messages as far as sometimes they say that the banyan trees will not be cut down and then other times when you look at what they're planning on doing it's almost impossible to do what they want to do without cutting down some of the banyan trees. The latest I saw today they came out with a revised plan there. I think let's, let's say there's

almost impossible to do what they want to do without cutting down some of the banyan trees. The latest I saw today they came out with a revised plan there. I think let's, let's say there's six banyan trees. They plan to keep five and move one of them, which isn't going to happen. You can't, those things are almost a hundred years old I think. Yeah, yeah. But to give a little bit of history, so like I said, uh, Memorial Park also called, um, war memorial was dedicated in 1947. And what's interesting about this land is that it was part of the Boca Raton Army Airfield, which was established in 1942 by the U.S. Army Corps. And the base served as our nation's sole training center for top secret airborne radar operators. And it, uh, that played a critical role in the Allied victory. Thousands of servicemen and women trained in this space we're talking about before deployment overseas. And so, uh, the war ended and two years later this space was named Memorial Park or war memorial in honor of the, um, you know, the servicemen and women that train there and the veterans that served in World War II. And I do think that, um, it even expanded into all veterans, kind of a dedication for all veterans. And opponents are saying that because there wasn't an official war memorial building, so, uh, anything on the property wasn't dedicated as this is the designated onsite war memorial, whether it was a statue or a building that there's nothing. When it was dedicated, it was like the whole park, the 17 acres was the war memorial, but opponents are really picking to find, uh, the debate seems to be over the park's name and intent. So do you need like a bust or a statue? Something like that, a plaque to make it official? It seems so. It seems that the whole 17 acres

seems to be over the park's name and intent. So do you need like a bust or a statue? Something like that, a plaque to make it official? It seems so. It seems that the whole 17 acres isn't quite enough of a dedication you need to have had. They're saying because there isn't something specific that that doesn't prove they're ignoring the intent. And you can go back and look at old newspaper articles in Boca Raton. And it's very obvious that this is a dedication. This is a memorial park. Not to interrupt you, but I was reading something on the sayboca.org site. I think it was, and it's talking about how the Boca historical society may have changed some of the verbiage. Can't verify that. Maybe an accusation. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not, but that's how hotly contested this thing has become. Um, but they changed the wording to reference or refer to the park. Kind of like you're talking about where it's in, there's no statute. There's no official declaration. The land itself being dedicated and called memorial park. Isn't enough that the council went in and said that basically. Yeah. Not you didn't say the Boca Raton historical society. Yeah. Yeah. I'll look it up as we're talking. I think I saw that. So you're saying the Boca Raton historical society was citing saying that that wasn't enough and that it's not a memorial park. I'm not saying that what I'm saying is in the, there's an FAQ out there where the language was changed to favor the pro development over building of the community. Yeah. So the, the FAQ on the website, the town website for the information is a seems to be fluid because yes, they keep changing the fact frequent, the facts of the frequently asked questions. Um, depending on how things are going, all of a

website for the information is a seems to be fluid because yes, they keep changing the fact frequent, the facts of the frequently asked questions. Um, depending on how things are going, all of a sudden you go there and that frequently asked question is has now has a different answer. Um, so I didn't realize that that was a subjective thing where you could just go in and alter it depending on the mood or the, um, temperature of the situation. But I do think answers to frequent frequently asked questions are fluid. They can be right. This new information comes about. That's true. But this doesn't feel like new information. No, this is, this is established information. And if you go back to articles, um, there have been some local reporters who've written already done some really good writeups about the subject. Um, and one in particular, he found articles where the town, when it was talking about different events going on the town, it would say at Memorial park, that at a, at Memorial park, this has been Memorial park, war Memorial, either one people have called it the war Memorial since 1947. And that is being completely ignored. And, um, because if, if it was, if they had to acknowledge that they couldn't do what they want to do. What do you mean? If it was a war Memorial, if it was a truly, like if it is a dedicated Memorial park, but if it had, um, what they're saying, a building or like, you can't go into Washington DC and just build on the world war two Memorial, it's a Memorial to veterans. So if, if they were forced to acknowledge this as an actual Memorial to veterans, they wouldn't be able to develop it. Yeah. I am displaying now some of the, this is off the say bokeh.org website. Yeah. And you can see that's the painting trees

an actual Memorial to veterans, they wouldn't be able to develop it. Yeah. I am displaying now some of the, this is off the say bokeh.org website. Yeah. And you can see that's the painting trees are going to cut down. There it is. There's an original FAQ statement and a new one. Yeah. And it's, it's hard for us to read it right here, but they did change the verb. They changed the verbiage, but, but as you alluded to before, and we did make, we went out and signed the petition. Um, the petition is basically saying that there needs to be a vote on this. This is public land. So the people need to vote. The people have a right to vote. Um, and so we went out, we signed the petition. It was storming. We, uh, took film of the area. There are 10 clay tennis courts. There are softball fields, baseball fields, basketball courts, a great playground, open space. There's a skate park. There's shuffleboard, uh, courts. There's a historic children's museum that has the second oldest building in Boca on it. And then of course there's our community center and our city hall. And one interesting thing they were trying to say is that in exchange for this, we will get a new city hall, but from my research, I found out that we Boca Raton has to front the cost of the city hall. So it's not an exchange. We have to front the cost of our city hall and then, okay, sure. They'll build it. To be honest with you, who gives a shit about the city hall that this is crazy. You know, it's, it was, I was thinking about this. We were just up in Washington DC last weekend for a wedding and the nicest buildings are all government owned. It's crazy. It shouldn't be that way. Right. And so the city wants to build these, you know, this wonderful city hall, which

a wedding and the nicest buildings are all government owned. It's crazy. It shouldn't be that way. Right. And so the city wants to build these, you know, this wonderful city hall, which people really don't, don't care to go to. There's no reason to really go to city hall. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, people, you sure having a nice city hall is, it's not a priority. That's what you're saying. It's not a priority. Not at all. What I'm concerned with as a citizen is I want open space and that little area there's pretty nice, right? It's not bad. I want less traffic. And the, in the, you know, there's a lot of folks focusing on the war memorial aspect of this and the dedicated land in the open space. The reality is there is massive gridlock on the corner of Palmetto and Dixie and Palmetto and federal, right? It's so bad that people, when you're heading down, if you're heading east on Palmetto towards the beach and the light turns red, people literally pull into the middle of the intersection because they don't want to have to wait too long. They want to just game the system, right? It's like you're in New York. Right. But we're in, in our, they're in New York with that, that kind of mentality. Yeah. No, the congestion is off the charts. Maybe Boca in general has been over, over developing completely and not our infrastructure has not been altered in any way or supported. And I think people also may not be aware, but starting around end of October through mid April or so, or maybe beginning of April, just depends when Eastern Passover fall, um, is seasoned for us. So our population grows significantly from all the snowbirds that come down here. So it's congested just when it's us quote unquote locals define what season is. What do you mean by that?

us. So our population grows significantly from all the snowbirds that come down here. So it's congested just when it's us quote unquote locals define what season is. What do you mean by that? Season is when the snowbirds come. It's when the people from the North come down and they have homes down here and they have their cars shipped down here many times on the, uh, what are they called? Traction trailers or car carriers or whatever. Yeah. And they, they live here from like, I mean, people would probably say like November to March, I think it starts around. I go by Costco whenever, when I see them at Costco, it's like, okay, it's season. And then when Costco is kind of empty again, season's over, but, um, it's a good half of our year is when it's seasoned and the snowbirds are here. And so I don't know the numbers. I don't know how much our population increases, but it's significant. And it adds to the traffic. It's noticeable. It's hard to go to restaurants. It's the grocery stores get crazy. You have to adjust as a local, you adjust a lot of your regular daily life. That's just normal. But then the congestion from the extra traffic, because they do bring their cars down here. So I can't even imagine if this area gets developed, it is in downtown. And the, the thing is, is this is downtown, but you think of downtown, right? And a lot of people think, you know, buildings and concrete, but Oka downtown is very lush. It's very green. There are a lot of open spaces. East Boca in particular has its own beachy charm vibe. It's different than central Boca and it's really different than West Boca. And anyone who's lived in Boca Raton would agree. And so part of having that chill beachy vibe and that small town community feeling is having the

And anyone who's lived in Boca Raton would agree. And so part of having that chill beachy vibe and that small town community feeling is having the open spaces and having the recreation facilities that are open to all the families. And if you put high rises, or you put a hotel, or you put more housing or restaurants, cafes, if you cover everything with that, if you put Meisner parks, everywhere all over downtown Boca, then you have completely changed the entire vibe of East Boca. Well, it's already happened, right? Look at that monstrosity of an eyesore called the Mandarin. Right? Yes. This thing's been under development for what? Three, five, seven years or something? I don't even know. I don't remember when they started. It's a condo hotel. I don't know what it is. I think it's a condo. It's giant. It's a perpetual high rise construction site. Yes. And it's absolutely terrible. For anyone that's familiar with Boca, that's on the corner of Federal and Camino, Real. Yeah. Just across the street or not too far, half a mile away on the west side of Dixie, the old Wawa location got turned into high rise apartments, right? No, that was the, was that the Piggly Wiggly or something? No, no, it was the Wawa. It's something like a Piggly Wiggly, but it's not a Piggly Wiggly, but it's another grocery store. And they tore down the grocery store and they put high rises. I don't think those are even near full. I don't think they are either. And that area is congested. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So they've taken these small little parts of East Boca and put these high rise apartments that aren't even filling up, but the people that are there are adding to the congestion. But now to do this in this area that's kind of centrally located, it doesn't make any sense.

that aren't even filling up, but the people that are there are adding to the congestion. But now to do this in this area that's kind of centrally located, it doesn't make any sense. I mean, I understand it's all about money, but it does not make any sense to me. Other than money, why would you do such a thing? Well, I think the argument is they're affordable housing, which is bullshit. They're saying that this new project will bring business in, so commercial real estate, which is bullshit because on our way home yesterday, or whenever it was a couple of days ago, I counted at least, we counted at least eight commercial locations that are vacant that have signs up saying available to lease. One of them was the CVS. Then there was about four or five right in that general area. Right? Yeah. So the town is making these projections and they put a capital B like it's billions of dollars of revenue. So they're, they're pitching it as a, as a moneymaker for the city. It'll help develop the city with no increase in taxes, which is pure bullshit because they're projecting this out the net present value of this project. And they're, they're forecasting it out 99 years, 99 years. No one born today is even going to be around in 99 years. Wait, what do you mean? You can't forecast out the revenue and the impact over 99 years. They're saying that BOCA will earn billions of dollars by this, but it'll be 99 years. No, what it is. So it's a 99 year lease. Right? So this is going to be, they're leasing this property or this space to this private development company for 99 years. What they're saying is that the, um, this project will generate revenue for the city in the form of commercial locate businesses and taxes there, probably hotel revenue and

company for 99 years. What they're saying is that the, um, this project will generate revenue for the city in the form of commercial locate businesses and taxes there, probably hotel revenue and receipts. Um, probably the, whatever housing it's going in there, right? That's going to fill the city's coffers with money. That's going to help offset our local property taxes. And it's the, so it's a, you know, they're forecasting, they're saying over 99 years, we're going to bring in billions of dollars pure bullshit. Right. That's what I meant. So over that 99 year time, you might, it'll maybe bring in the billions of dollars, but it's nothing that we're going to feel or see any, anytime soon, or for most of the people that live here right now, by making it 99 years, your multiplier is times 99. It's, you can't predict that it's, it's stupid. It's, it's stupid to do that, but they're projecting for this development company. They will have a 99 year lease. Yeah. So once they sign this over to this company, this, this development company has control of 31 acres of public land to do whatever they want with for 99 years to do whatever they want with might be a stretch, right? That's what's kind of happening now. It's getting sorted out, right? But I mean, let's face it once you destroy the property and it becomes this ugly monstrosity, concrete jungle, right? Where it's currently open grass and old trees, it all bets are off. It short-term memory sets in 10, 15, 20 years out. They could easily go up higher. You're giving up open space now for the promise of tomorrow, but you're also relinquishing a lot of control and other zoning laws and stuff like that. Right. But apparently I don't want to accuse the city council or

promise of tomorrow, but you're also relinquishing a lot of control and other zoning laws and stuff like that. Right. But apparently I don't want to accuse the city council or the mayor of, of illegal things, but you know, there's something's wrong here. So who's profiting, right? You got to follow the money on this type of thing. Yeah. And so I, not making any accusations. I have no data to suggest any of that except my age experience and, and just looking around at how stupid this is. Right. Right. That makes sense. No, it does make sense. And, um, I think the most, one of the most interesting things about all of this is that they called it a government campus, campus redevelopment plan. So, um, cause the mayor did come out with something yesterday, actually, um, a new message. And in it, he said, you know, that they'd been discussing this particular project for over three years and that he has sent out new numerous newsletters about it. And there's been meetings about it and, um, there hasn't been a lot of interest in it. And, and I felt it was a little passive aggressive, but whatever. Um, but in there, it's like, yeah, you were calling it a, uh, government campus redevelopment. So any regular person that lives in Boca is going to think, Oh, they're rebuilding the city hall. Oh, they are real bit rebuilding the recreation center. Oh, maybe they're going to upgrade the tennis courts. Like we, I think most of us thought they're just going to make that upgrade. What's already there. They're going to maintain what's there, but make it nicer. And then come to find out, no, they're giving this all over to a developer developer. So I think there was, um, it was very misleading. Let's put it that way. It was very misleading.

then come to find out, no, they're giving this all over to a developer developer. So I think there was, um, it was very misleading. Let's put it that way. It was very misleading. I do think that's a segue into really what's pro what's problematic for local governments, right? As local citizens, it's so often as the case, local governments have people running for their offices, mayor city council, town council, whatever. Most of the citizen re, uh, doesn't pay attention to what's who's funding these people's campaigns, who these people are. And it's only once they're in office and they start doing various things, do you realize, okay, you kind of get a peek into it, right? This current regime has overdeveloped the downtown area. They've even probably you can make a case, maybe they've developed, overdeveloped some of the westerly part of town, right? They're on Clint or a Clint Moore and, uh, military, right? The old office depot campus is going to get half one third of it's getting knocked down to have like a six or seven or 10 store. I don't even know how big a multi-story multi-development or multi-purpose building put out there. Do we need that? I don't know. Probably not. But, but that, but either way. So my point is people get elected, they start doing things that serve their own personal interests. Most of the, most of the population's not tracking this stuff and that's our fault. That is our fault. And it's not just our fault in our town happens everywhere. I will go into it in a little while, but I can even speak to the town I grew up in, how it was overdeveloped. And you've, you've been there. What used to be a nice town that you could easily navigate and cruise around and no problem. It's now a traffic nightmare

grew up in, how it was overdeveloped. And you've, you've been there. What used to be a nice town that you could easily navigate and cruise around and no problem. It's now a traffic nightmare and all the woodlands that used to be our old playground are all now McMansions and old and houses that all look the same. And, um, and it's happening here. Yeah. That's what's happening to our town. Well, and I think something else that's also happening maybe all over America, I'm not sure, but I've definitely have seen it here in Florida. And I'd be curious if any listeners are listening about this, uh, if it's happening in their area, but, um, I remember years ago, there was this concept of copying what Europe does where you live in the same place where you grocery shop, where you eat almost maybe where you go to school. Like everything is within walking distance. And it's almost like you're creating these little towns. Well, it's even worse. Um, and it is a trend. You remember the game sim tower? You probably don't. Yeah. Yeah. No, I do. There was some tower. You could make a tower and your high rise. You put in elevators, you got stores on the bottom and add a dry cleaner. So it's that's what's going to happen at that office, deep a location. And it's already happened just south of that, at that 10 X location, right? Yeah. Where the, the burger places, the Chipotle, yeah, that whole thing. There's probably a dry cleaner there. There's a, there's a shopping, uh, the grocery store. I first saw this up in Ashburn, Virginia, though, when I was up there, probably 10 years ago. Um, and there's a, there was a tower up top was people living down below with the grocery store, dry cleaners, um, across the street was a home depot. So you didn't have

probably 10 years ago. Um, and there's a, there was a tower up top was people living down below with the grocery store, dry cleaners, um, across the street was a home depot. So you didn't have to go too far. Right. And that's absolutely happening. And then, and then COVID hits. And now that really starts to take off because, okay, people are working from home. They don't necessarily have to travel. They can just go downstairs and do their grocery shopping. Don't really need the dry cleaner so much anymore, but yeah, self-contained units. Yes. Very much so. But it insulates people and it, I mean, I understand the convenience of it, but it's efficient, but I don't know. You, you definitely don't have a small town vibe in that situation because you have these tiny little almost cities within themselves. And I don't know. I feel like you lose the character of a mom and pop stores. And I mean, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, it makes me sad. It really does. And that's probably what strikes a chord for me here is that where they want, what they want to do with this land today, it's community. It's softball fields. It's basketball courts. It's a playground. It's tennis courts, but not only that, right? Because that allows you to have some organized sports and volunteering and coaching. Right. I used to do that. But what happens is you, you can't go play. Your friends can't go with a football and just throw a football around. Right. You can't go down there and throw a frisbee around in the open grass. You can't just go kick a soccer ball. Well, you can right now. You can right now. But once you get rid of that stuff, where do you go? And I feel like the mayor in his statement yesterday also tried to say that he said something like, let's face it,

right now. You can right now. But once you get rid of that stuff, where do you go? And I feel like the mayor in his statement yesterday also tried to say that he said something like, let's face it, or let's be honest. Very few residents go to this area and that's not true. There were people there just last night. They were using all the facilities. It's, it's used by people that do play tennis there. There's kids. I've played tennis. Yes. But Dylan there. Yeah. There's kids that play softball, baseball, kick the soccer ball, play basketball. It's used. Yeah. It is used. And you know, Boca, a lot of people that you don't know Boca, you might have an idea about Boca. There is wealth, some wealth here and all that. And yes, we do have some really nice clubs and areas where people can go play tennis, but there are regular people here in Boca too. There that could use, they do use the tennis courts there. You know, it's, it's affordable recreation for just regular people that want to go and just throw the football or kick the soccer ball. And you're going to remove all of that freedom from, it's such a central point of the community. Well, you know what they're doing too. If you look at the year, their master plan right there. And they came out today, I think saying, we'll add more tennis courts. We'll do this and do that. I bet they'll charge. Well, not only that, but right now, at least in that area, it's a nice open free flowing space. It's nice. Yeah. It's nice. And they want to put in these just shitty looking buildings that look the same as everything else and turn it into a concrete jungle. And it's nice right now. Yeah, it really is. And I think, you know, when we had posted our short yesterday, there was some people that commented

and turn it into a concrete jungle. And it's nice right now. Yeah, it really is. And I think, you know, when we had posted our short yesterday, there was some people that commented up in New York that it's happening even in, I think somebody commented it's happening in Brooklyn. Yeah, from Brooklyn to Boca was there. Yeah. This seems to be just such a trend is this over development. And it's, I don't understand, I get it. A ton of people moved to Florida during COVID. So I understand we grew like crazy all over Florida. It was insane. But the over development everywhere, it confuses me because I don't feel like they're filling all the buildings or all the apartment buildings or all the houses. I don't feel like people are moving into all these places, but they keep developing, developing, developing. Well, I mean, it makes sense, right? Real estate is such a huge part of our economy from everything from the raw materials being sold. So those people make some money. The guys that are make some money. The guys who deliver it, they get paid, they make some money. The guys who build it, they get paid, they make some money. The politicians who approve it, I think they get paid too. Again, I don't want to accuse anybody of anything, but there's no, it makes no sense to approve this stuff. The realtors who sign the leases sell the properties, they get a cut of the action. So it makes sense. It's an economic engine to do all of this. If you own the land and you sell the land, you have every right to do all of that stuff. But when it comes to this kind of project, it just reeks of greed. It really does because, and I was reading something on Facebook today, somebody posted to that Save Boca, maybe it was the Facebook page, I think it was,

it just reeks of greed. It really does because, and I was reading something on Facebook today, somebody posted to that Save Boca, maybe it was the Facebook page, I think it was, just talking about what kind of legacy do you want to leave? And I remember seeing the mayor at the Hobachi place a couple of Christmas years ago, I think it was. That's when we typically go. Right? Yeah. And he was there with his family. And, you know, I, it was, I almost wanted to say, hey, I think you're doing a decent job, but it was there with his family and it wouldn't have been appropriate. I don't think he's doing a good job anymore. And I know he has kids and is this the legacy wants to leave? Like the C plan to be in the community? Do any of these people plan to be in the community? And if so, do they ever go down there? Have they sat in that gridlock on Palmetto and Dixie or sat in that, that gridlock on Palmetto in federal? You would never want to make your legacy be, yeah, we made this big, beautiful pile of shit. We, yeah, we got rid of some banyan trees. We got rid of the softball fields that were there, the park, the nice open space. That's their legacy that they're chasing. And I find that weird. I find it weird. Well, and I wondered do if they don't, they may not live in this area. They may live out in West Boca or they may live in central Boca. And I always say Boca is three parts and three different personalities in three different towns within Boca. So if you live in West Boca, you really have, you only come over to East Boca for maybe a restaurant or something, but, or you drive through East Boca to get to the beach, but you don't do a lot of your life here. And so if they live in West Boca, they don't feel an affinity to what life is

something, but, or you drive through East Boca to get to the beach, but you don't do a lot of your life here. And so if they live in West Boca, they don't feel an affinity to what life is like here. And to your point, they may not even experience what we all experience living here, but we've lived here for almost 20 years. And I can't tell you the change, the change from when we moved here and I get it, things are going to change. I understand that, but some of it is just a, it's just so offensive. It's just so ridiculous. And you know, I know that, um, the whole thing Meissner park's so great and that was a success. And so this will be a success. Like I said before, we don't want a bunch of Meissner parks. What makes Meissner parks is that the air is only one Meissner park, you know? Great point. And lately it's been a revolving door of business. It's not like you can, there's a couple yard houses been there for a while, right? There's a few others, you know, better than I do. Yeah, but every, but it's been a main, uh, a major rotation in the last few years. Yeah. No, it's not even like there's definitely been things that have come and gone. So I, I think, again, their vision, it's like they want to make a East Boak downtown Boca. They call it downtown Boca. Yeah. They call it downtown. Guess what we call it? East Boca. We call it home. We call it home. Yeah. Right. This is East Boca. This isn't downtown Boca to us. Those of us who live here don't think of ourselves as living downtown. We live in East Boca. Well, that's, but that's the rub. They're trying to make it a downtown. Yes. Like a Miami downtown or a Fort Lauderdale downtown or a West Palm downtown. Yeah. That's not the vibe here. They're trying

make it a downtown. Yes. Like a Miami downtown or a Fort Lauderdale downtown or a West Palm downtown. Yeah. That's not the vibe here. They're trying to change East Boca into a downtown. Like what you just said, we don't want that. Yeah. It's not anything. That's what makes this area so special is we don't want to know offensive to Fort Lauderdale. We don't want to look like Fort Lauderdale. We don't want to look like West Palm. Delray beach has its own unique character with the av and Boca has its own unique character with a small town beachy feel and with things that are going on, right? It's just, it's like a city within a small town. It's hard to explain, but we don't want it to feel like a downtown. It's not a priority for most of the citizens here. Well, what's fascinating to me is the email the mayor sent out on Sunday, how he said they he's, they've been communicating the plan for the last three years and that for the last three years, they've been hyper focused on redeveloping that area, right? That that's their main priority. I think those were his words that it's been our, our, we've been hyper focused or it's our main priority to develop that area, which is crazy to me because as a person who lives here, my main priority is how do I get from South Boca to North Boca on Dixie or federal in less than a half an hour? Yeah. And it used to be 15 minutes or 10, 10 to 15 minutes to make it down to the park where we do flag football. Yeah. Now that's 20 minutes for, yeah. Any time a day. Yeah. That's crazy. No, it is. It's the, I would be congestion, traffic congestion. And I'm sure central Boca has its own issues and so does West Boca. So I'm not leaving them out, but what's happening right now is an East Boca. Yeah. And

would be congestion, traffic congestion. And I'm sure central Boca has its own issues and so does West Boca. So I'm not leaving them out, but what's happening right now is an East Boca. Yeah. And again, you know, South, well, South Florida is, you know, not, not to catch up, but West Boca is overdeveloped too, right? Along what is it? 441 is that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 441. It's all overdeveloped traffic nightmare. Yeah. No, for sure. But South Florida is unique because South Florida does have its own unique charm and its own history. And part of that is where we live at least from Miami all the way up until, gosh, Jupiter, Vero. It's, it's beach towns. Like these are towns along the beach, right? And a lot of them have been able to hold on to their old unique charm. And the, I think what has made Boca so special is, but you have Miami, you have Hollywood, you have Fort Lauderdale, and then you get to Pompano and you get to Deerfield Beach. And Deerfield Beach actually has held on to its charm in a lot of ways. Actually, I mean, there's really nice beaches down in Fort Lauderdale, some nice neighborhoods. There is. Hollywood has the boardwalk area. That's pretty cool. There is. Miami obviously has South Beach and stuff like that. But I'm talking about, there's that downtown vibe and in Miami, Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale. Yeah. Right. But the thing about Boca is you'd get to Boca and it felt like, Boca's downtown just felt like just a regular neighborhood, small town in a way. It was just, you didn't feel like you were entering a downtown. You never once felt like you were entering a downtown. In the last, last five years, for sure. Now you do. Yeah. It's starting. And if they keep going, it's lost. All of it is lost. Yeah.

You never once felt like you were entering a downtown. In the last, last five years, for sure. Now you do. Yeah. It's starting. And if they keep going, it's lost. All of it is lost. Yeah. Because once it starts, you can't put it back in the, in, it's done. It's, you know, so I think, you know, to our listeners, if you're still with us, because I know this is very local to what's going on with us, but who knows? Maybe in your town, you're also trying to deal with some over development and are fighting the good fight to try to hold on to the history or the charm of your city or your town. I do think a lot of this is happening all over our country. And so we may be, what's going on with us may just be symbolic of what could be going on for a lot of other listeners. I do think that's, that is going on. I feel like a message for everybody who's listening is to protect your town. If you like your town, protect it. Because I think we voted for people. We thought we could trust. And then it turns out that they can't be trusted. And this isn't just Boca, right? We're talking about it because it's our town, but where I grew up in Sparta, right? They have their own controversies going on up there where, you know, like I say, when I was a kid, this is fascinating to me because I was thinking about it. It's probably the genesis of why I just have such a distrust in government. When I was a kid, I remember we had in New Jersey, there were wetlands laws. You were not allowed to develop or build properties in the wetlands. Well, they did. You know, when I was a kid, we used to play around Fox Hollow in Sparta. It was all swampy. Wetland had those skunk cabbages, which have to grow in very moist soil. It's all homes now. When I was

know, when I was a kid, we used to play around Fox Hollow in Sparta. It was all swampy. Wetland had those skunk cabbages, which have to grow in very moist soil. It's all homes now. When I was younger, Hemlock Hill was one of the first developments in Sparta off of Green Road and Sawmill Estates and other places. And we used to play in a stream back there. We'd catch fish and frogs and stuff. It's all homes. And so it's all corrupt, local government corruption being bought out and paid for by developers, you know, and that happens everywhere. Yeah. Unfortunately. And so if you live in a small town, you probably, maybe you can trust those, you know, the folks for a little while, but you got to keep a real close eye on them. And I think that goes back to your original point is stay active as much as you can, or keep your finger on the pulse as much as you can. And I know we all get busy with our lives and we certainly did, but you think you, who you're voting in, you can trust. And so you think that you don't have to watch as closely, but you do because before you know it, you're being presented with a part of your town that is cherished and beloved. That's going to be handed over to people that aren't from your town that don't care about your town that are in it for the money and have their own vision that does not align with your town because they haven't, they don't know the culture of our town. They don't have it lived it. And so whatever they're going to put there is going to be uncomfortable and is going to be foreign to all the people that live here instead of working with the citizens from the start. Well, they claim to, right? But most of us as citizens are asleep at the wheel. Again, we vote these people and we expect them to

instead of working with the citizens from the start. Well, they claim to, right? But most of us as citizens are asleep at the wheel. Again, we vote these people and we expect them to represent our interests. The things most of us care about are decent schools, open spaces, you know, good police department. We want good healthcare nearby. You know, we have a great bike lane system here in town. We've got beautiful beaches. We have the police are excellent. The fire department is excellent. All the city workers in our city are great guys. You know, if you sit and talk with them and whether it's everyone from the sanitation guys to the guys who work the fields, you know, they do a great job keeping the fields intact. They wonderful job just keeping our city looking good. Yeah, absolutely. 100%. Those are the things that we don't want traffic. We don't want crime. We don't want weird shit going on. And BOCUS actually run extremely well. And that's part of the charm of East Boca, right? That's what we all like is it's a nice, clean, safe place. When you put in these high rise developments, I'm not opposed to the Brightline station that was put in, but you combine the Brightline with this high rise monstrosity, it brings in an element of crime with an easy exit, right? So that's all part of what's going on here. It's a change of just all of it. It's a shift, right? But again, I still feel like this was, it was sneaky. I feel sneaky. It feels like the name they gave it was so misleading. 100%. Yeah. So I feel like you, like you said, you think you vote somebody in that you can trust, which is just ridiculous because they're politicians. And so there's just no way. But again, I think this is happening all over the country. Yeah, no doubt.

you vote somebody in that you can trust, which is just ridiculous because they're politicians. And so there's just no way. But again, I think this is happening all over the country. Yeah, no doubt. And it's definitely Florida. Definitely Florida. They've been cutting down farmland, orange tree orchards, all of that out on West Florida, all that's been cut down for subdivisions and homes. And we had a listener comment that downtown St. Petersburg has completely changed. So I don't know. I guess it can get overwhelming when you think about it. So you at least focus just on your one little area, which is what we're doing. We're trying to be a part of at least having our voices heard in this situation and maybe be able to change the course or at least force the government to listen to us. And so whatever they end up with is a compromise between the citizens and what the government wants, I guess. Well, I think one thing that's interesting is the developer. So I think they've gone out to bed, right? They've been kind of doing this for the last few years. And the mayor probably is right. He's probably been communicating via emails and newsletters and old archaic stuff no one pays attention to. Maybe if he had a TikTok account or an Instagram account or was on Facebook or YouTube, right? Something that people are actually paying attention to rather than the local flyer down at the community center, people would be more aware. But what I find very interesting is, you know, so they've gone through bidding processes. I think they've down selected. There is one developer now there's, it's a combo. I don't know their names, but one of the developers is the developer who put up the building that collapsed in Miami a few years ago.

There is one developer now there's, it's a combo. I don't know their names, but one of the developers is the developer who put up the building that collapsed in Miami a few years ago. No, they put up, I think they put up what they were building. It's like terrace something. The building they were building next to Surfside, what they were doing there with the construction was what had an effect, I think on Surfside collapsing. I don't know if Terra built Surfside. I'm not sure. I just know that the building they were building next to Surfside down in Miami, if anyone remembers that story, was horrendous. The whole community collapsed and people died. So this developer was building next to it and whatever they were doing, whether it was through strong vibration, it was weakening what was going on over the building foundation at Surfside. I believe that's what happened. I think they got sued. I'm not sure. Oh, of course they got sued. People died in their sleep. But I don't know if they built Surfside. I'm not sure on that. The same developer sued over Surfside collapse. So you're right. Maybe they didn't. It was almost like they reviewed as they caused the collapse of Surfside. This is the developer that wants to be in charge of this project in Boca. So I just think that's bad juju. I think that's bad karma. I don't think you bring that in here. Yeah, there it is. So the Terra group, the Miami-based developer now pursuing a high-profile project in Boca Raton was a key defendant in lawsuits tied to the 2021-- Champlain Towers, South Collapse, and Surfside. This is despite not disclosing the lawsuit and the proposal submitted to the city of Boca Raton in January 2025. So they did not disclose that there was a lawsuit. They hid it. For anyone

This is despite not disclosing the lawsuit and the proposal submitted to the city of Boca Raton in January 2025. So they did not disclose that there was a lawsuit. They hid it. For anyone listening, we're putting up information on the screen. So if you go to watch on YouTube, you'll see. So that's already sketchy. So you started off this entire project calling it the government redevelopment-- what was it? Government redevelopment project or something? Whatever it was called, it wasn't clear. I think it's called the don't worry about it. We got this project. And so that was sketchy. And then any newsletter-- because the mayor does send email newsletters-- any newsletters that were coming through, I read them. So I do read those newsletters, not every single one of them, but I'll look through them. I don't remember ever-- nothing caught my eye. Nothing caught my attention. I was like, what are they doing down there? I agree. I read them too. Yeah, whatever was being said, it was not clear. It was misleading. I'm not saying it was misleading on purpose, but it was misleading. And now you have a developer who didn't disclose that they were part of the lawsuit of the collapse of the Surfside. This is just all bad. It's just all like so sketchy. Well, what's interesting to me is we're late to the party. Just for full disclosure, ours-- we do not have full 1,000% command of all facts, but doesn't pass the sniff test. But we are late. And think some higher power. Thank God, I'll say it. For the people in Boca who started the Save Boca, the project-- Dan Perlman, I think, is one of the main guys. Nice job, Dan. Thanks for bringing this to everybody's attention. I'm looking at you. Good job. Yes. There's a whole group of people

Dan Perlman, I think, is one of the main guys. Nice job, Dan. Thanks for bringing this to everybody's attention. I'm looking at you. Good job. Yes. There's a whole group of people who started the SaveBoca.org campaign, basically. And not only that, well, it is a campaign, but they're, you know, you've got your shirt. If I wore anything besides a black shirt, I would wear that shirt. But they've made the t-shirts, they've got the signs, they've attended the city council meetings, they did the whole petition effort. So kudos to all of you guys. So now I think you've woken us up. They did get some good press. They made national news. I think they did. It was on Fox News. I don't know if they've been seeing it or not, but I know Fox. So they've got the word out and they've woken up the people of our town now, which is a great thing. So thank you for doing that. Yes. For doing that. They have a Facebook page, they have an Instagram page, they have a TikTok. I went and followed all of them. So anyone listening that wants to follow along on this, because we have, when this airs tomorrow, this is Monday right now, tomorrow night, Tuesday, there is a city council meeting at six o'clock. The address is on say, Boca.org. I think it's 60, I looked it up. I think it's 6,500 Congress Boulevard and what that is. So where that is, it's between Yamado and Clint Moore on Congress. And it is where like the, there's like a police academy, not academy, but maybe training. There's, it's kind of a, I don't know, a nondescript building, but what's interesting about it. So it is there tomorrow. People are encouraged to go. There's instructions on the sayboca.org homepage. If you go in, you sign in, every person does get three minutes to speak.

about it. So it is there tomorrow. People are encouraged to go. There's instructions on the sayboca.org homepage. If you go in, you sign in, every person does get three minutes to speak. The challenge is they did request, officially requested Monday to have it moved to a larger location. They did, and they were denied. They were denied, yeah. And there's plenty of places to go. I don't, you know, it's a tough one. I want to believe in the, I want to believe in the sentiment that's coming from the mayor. I don't think he's inherently a bad guy. I think he's currently misguided on this one. And I think he's wrong, right? I 100% believe he's wrong. I don't think he's a bad guy. It is probably logistically difficult to change it last minute in their defense. They are saying some of the right things that this is just the beginning. They're going to try to work it out, but anything short of a full stop is, is unacceptable in my mind. Just operationally, logistically kind of makes sense for them to say, we're going to keep it here this time. But given the demand and popularity of this, they need to move it elsewhere. For the next one. For the next one, 100%. Yeah. Because I think this is... And make it longer. Yeah. I think this is just the beginning in some ways. I think the more people hear about this and are going to get involved, you know, until the mayor and the city council have a good answer for everyone. I don't see this dying down anytime soon, you know. This isn't like how, you know, a private developer wanting to build townhomes around the corner from us in a ridiculous, ridiculous location. That's another stupid one. I think the city approved that though.

wanting to build townhomes around the corner from us in a ridiculous, ridiculous location. That's another stupid one. I think the city approved that though. Yeah. Okay. So the city might have approved that, but that seems more private land, privately owned land that was sold, right? Well, and if I'm totally against it. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But to your point, there could have been a zoning... I don't know if they made it a zoning accommodation or not. It wouldn't surprise me. This city council and this mayor is 100% pro over development. So I do believe right now it was a small title company and some other, you know, office space that they want to turn into a three... They're still there, the title company. Yeah. Yeah. I think they want to turn that into a three-story multifamily housing. Yeah. It's going to be like four condos or something. I don't know. And then there's a whole other thing down up the street by our local school that they want to put in a gated apartment or condo community. And the traffic on the road that both of these proposed projects are on is already insane. But my point was, is I think both of those areas are privately, commercially owned by someone. Whereas this is public land. This is city land. And that's... So yeah, you can go out and you can get upset about townhomes being built in an area that's so ridiculous and apartments being built in an area that makes no sense, but it's privately, commercially owned land, I think. This is 100% public land. This is a memorial park for World War II vets, which I think is just... You can't overstate that enough. You just can't. And 31 acres of open public land. You can't just swoop in and give that over to developers without the citizens having to say.

think is just... You can't overstate that enough. You just can't. And 31 acres of open public land. You can't just swoop in and give that over to developers without the citizens having to say. But we do. All right. So here's another one. I forgot about this one. Out on Glades, just west of the Turnpike, was the golf course, the 27 whole city-owned and operated golf course that got bulldozed probably what, five years ago maybe? And now it's all condos. That's where they took the kids to learn how to golf. Full of alligators, the golf course out there was just sold to private developers and turned into condos. Now, I lost my train of thought. No, what's interesting to me, and I think focused on a historically tremendous job at this, but we've lost our way. And what that is, that golf course was city-owned. I could buy a golf cart or as a city resident, you buy a card, you get a discount, you can book tea times. They were excellent golf courses. We've got city-owned and operated pickleball courts, city-owned and operated tennis courts. I'm not the biggest advocate for the city-owning and operating all this stuff, but it's what made Boca different is that they've always done a nice job. They've paid great wages for the people to run these things. They've done a great job running them. It's always been open to the community. They've always been fairly priced and they're giving all that stuff up for this over-development. The golf course out on Yamado and that Hidden Valley Road, I think is by Clintmore. By Costco, you come over the overpass. That's a golf course out there. I think the city's trying to turn that into a golf course, but now they're combining it with pickleball courts or maybe scratching the golf course. It's crazy.

That's a golf course out there. I think the city's trying to turn that into a golf course, but now they're combining it with pickleball courts or maybe scratching the golf course. It's crazy. Yeah. I think if anything, people will start to pay more attention. I know I will to what's going on. A hundred percent. But the thing that's special about this, again, is it is in the heart of our "downtown area," but it helped keep our downtown area feel neighborly and it helped maintain community within our downtown area. It helped our downtown area feel like a small town. When you would drive by and see kids play softball there, I'm telling you to listeners, it's the same feeling as when I lived up in New Jersey in a small town and I drove by and saw kids play softball. We live in a large city, but this area... Or West Virginia. Yeah, exactly. This area is nostalgic. This area that they want to develop is nostalgia for Boca Raton. It's almost like one of the last pieces that we have of the small town that Boca Raton was. When you drive past this area, you remember coaching your children there. You remember watching your children play there. And then you also currently see other people's children playing there. You see people playing tennis. You see people on the basketball courts. What you see is the community of Boca Raton. And if they develop that, it's gone because all you're going to see then are concrete buildings and our sense of community and one of our last pieces of nostalgia in our little downtown area will be wiped out. Well, I think also just to add to that, it's everything you just said, but it's unstructured. Meaning if you go out to the fields at Spanish River, they're beautiful. We've got beautiful facilities here.

it's everything you just said, but it's unstructured. Meaning if you go out to the fields at Spanish River, they're beautiful. We've got beautiful facilities here. The fields out there are beautiful soccer fields, baseball fields, a nice wonderful playground, but it's all got a spot. It's all nice and tidy because it's all new and it's all planned. You go out to Patroif, it's beautiful. It's phenomenal. This area is very unstructured. I think they last developed in 1964. So to your point, that's probably nostalgic at this point. But it's free flowing. It evolved. The banyan trees were put in probably as small trees. Now they're these big, beautiful 15 foot across base trees with vines hanging down. You walk over to the fields. It's just unstructured. It's old school. It's old school. It's old school. And we need old school. You need old school. Everything can't be new. Everything can't be developed. Everything can't be planned. Everything shouldn't be shiny. You need to still have some history without it being always totally historic too. You just need that sense of nostalgia, that sense of old school. And I know we're Gen Xers. And so, yes, we do feel nostalgic when we see certain things. But for younger generations too, I think there's Gen Zers that remember playing baseball and softball on those fields. And just five, 10 years ago, there's puddles. It's just like you said, it's unstructured and it's a sense of childhood. It's a sense of community, our community center. There's just so much there to save for Boca Raton. So if anyone is interested, saveboca.org has all the information. It has all the current information. There is also a Facebook page. There's an Instagram page. I did join the TikTok. I don't know how much they post

information. It has all the current information. There is also a Facebook page. There's an Instagram page. I did join the TikTok. I don't know how much they post on there, but that's where all the information will be. And we just felt compelled to do an episode, to at least put our voices to this and be a part of trying to hold on to just that sense of nostalgia and community in our town. And that's why we're doing this episode, honestly. Because I do think there are people all over this country that have had to watch their nostalgia get bulldozed over and their nostalgia get developed by people who don't live in their town, by people who don't care about their town and by people who don't understand their town. So I don't think this is a Boca Raton problem. I think it's a problem probably in many, many towns and cities in our country. And I think that it's important to hold on to that. If you can, just hold on to a piece of what was. I mean, look at that. That's just such a mess. There is no value in what we're looking to develop here in our town. It looks like anything else. Yeah. You know what's fascinating to me? It does not look like Boca Raton. What's fascinating to me is when you look at that, if you look at it in the eyes of the developer, it's money. And when you look at it in the eyes of the politician, it's just pure ego and greed, right? They want to say, "I helped develop that and put their name on it." Which is crazy to me. I would want nothing to do with that. But when you look at it, all of the people I just mentioned, they'd look at it on a grid and they see, "Okay, this is a thousand feet by a thousand feet and there's a 45 degree angle here from the natural terrain, right? What can we put in there?" And

they'd look at it on a grid and they see, "Okay, this is a thousand feet by a thousand feet and there's a 45 degree angle here from the natural terrain, right? What can we put in there?" And it's just moving boxes around just to see what can you put there and what's going to maximize the square footage profitability of that multi-block chunk of the city. They don't give a shit about the impact to the traffic flows. And now they'll come up with some BSO, "We did a traffic flow and it's not going to impact traffic." Bullshit. And they're going to come up with these financial models that says, "We estimate that the commercial tax base revenue is going to be X and it's going to help offset the local property taxes." Bullshit. It's all just nonsense. It's just pure greed. And it's unnecessary. If you guys want, go elsewhere. Go somewhere else and do this, right? There's plenty of other cities that might be interested in something like this, but I don't think there's an interest here. No, there isn't. I mean, you literally are creating something that does not fit in any way with the vibe of this area. Well, it does, but it's called Fort Lauderdale. It's called Miami. It's called West Palm Beach. It's called anywhere but Boca and quite frankly Delray. Delray's got a lot of nice charms on there and Deerfield too, but Deerfield's a little overbuilt, but at the same time, it's not bad. No, that Deerfield Boca Delray area. Hillsborough Beach is nice. Yeah. So yeah, our stretch from the last condos, probably once you hit the Hillsborough Inlet Bridge, just south of that, that whole stretch all the way up into even past Lake Worth up where you start to get where like Oprah's got a place and write that extreme wealth of that town, but

Bridge, just south of that, that whole stretch all the way up into even past Lake Worth up where you start to get where like Oprah's got a place and write that extreme wealth of that town, but kind of by the breakers. Yeah. Like Palm Beach. Yeah. Well, Lake Worth-ish area that I forget the town, but there's a lot of wealthy big homes up there. And I mean, and that's fine. We don't, there's wealth here. So it's not, we're not against wealth and we're not against growth. We wouldn't live here if we were. Yeah, we're not. Yeah. We, to be clear, we're not saying we're wealthy. That just sounded like that. The nice thing about living amongst wealth is that you get the benefit of living amongst wealth. We have several billionaires living in both. Yes. Very, we have a very, just a very wealthy populace. We do. And so for regular people like us, we, you know, our children get to enjoy the community because the community is kept to a certain state because of the wealth that's here. So it all kind of balances out and works out. But again, that's, that's what's so unique about Boca is that at least East Boca, I can say, is that if you ever came into East Boca, it would just feel like any other town. You wouldn't feel, unless you drive along certain roads and you see like mansions and stuff. But if you were just to go to like, we've been here close to 20 years and I agree with you 15 years ago, 10 years ago, but we are screwing the pooch here. Yeah. We're watching it. We're watching the next real estate and housing bubble commercial real estate. Yeah. Yes. We're watching the next commercial and apartment real estate bubble unfold in real time. Fast forward five years or some point on the horizon and we're going to see an

Yeah. Yes. We're watching the next commercial and apartment real estate bubble unfold in real time. Fast forward five years or some point on the horizon and we're going to see an implosion. Yeah. And it's not, I'm not fearing doom. It's just reality. This shit goes in cycles. And I wouldn't even say we're in a big boom right now. I did look up vacancy rates today in Boca and we do have about a 7% vacancy rate here. How that compares? Not sure. For commercial or for? Just the, like an apartment. More on the apartment side. Yeah. Yeah. I think our commercials even, I don't know, it's probably not worse, but there's plenty of like, with like we saw yesterday or a couple days ago, a lot of commercial real estate and a lot of longer term ones, right? That CVS has been vacant for like how long? A year? Two years now. Yeah, probably. No, a few years I think. Which becomes blight, which becomes crime. Yeah. Right. All those things. I don't know. It's, it's a tough one because you want to, you do want to support growth and progress in your town, but I think there's a way to do it where you can still hold on to your town's character, your town's charm, your town's nostalgia, and not completely come in and wipe everything out and change everything so that you don't recognize your town anymore. And I know that has happened to so many towns and it's, it's makes me sad that now it's come to our town to this degree, to take 31 acres of a beloved part of Boca and just plop down crap. We haven't even touched on the fact that the hotel will be adjacent to the local school there, right? The Boca Christian high school. No, it's K through 12. K through 12? Yeah. And then there's that other little learning center. I don't know what that is. Yeah. The hotel

there, right? The Boca Christian high school. No, it's K through 12. K through 12? Yeah. And then there's that other little learning center. I don't know what that is. Yeah. The hotel will be right next to two schools. Yeah. No, there's just so much about this. So again, we just felt we needed to do this. We needed to put our voices to it. It may not be very interesting to anyone if you're not from Boca or maybe you can relate or maybe you saw this happen to your town and you can understand where we're coming from, but you kind of feel a little bit helpless in this situation. So we thought we would at least do an episode on it and we are going to stay on top of everything and attend the meetings and do anything we can, but the least we can do is at least talk about it and get it out there. So for anyone that's interested and wants to get more information about it, we just touched on the tip of the facts. This goes deeper and deeper and deeper. You can easily go down a rabbit hole. If you Google and research any of this stuff, even if you go to sayboca.org, they have so much more information. We really just touched on things. So again, thanks for listening and please support if you're local, please sign petition. Please show up at the meetings. Please stay on top of things. I think we're all going to read the mayor's newsletters going forward. Read your local mayor's newsletter. Read everything. Yeah, that's one piece of advice. If your mayor is sending you guys something in your town, read it. But for those of you who are still with us that aren't local, thank you for listening and we will get back to our normally scheduled program. We do have a ton of guests, a ton, you guys, coming up for the fall. We are double, triple, quadruple booked up

thank you for listening and we will get back to our normally scheduled program. We do have a ton of guests, a ton, you guys, coming up for the fall. We are double, triple, quadruple booked up with so many cool and interesting people. We're so excited to start. We took a little bit of a what, a two week break or a week of break. How long did we not record a week? I don't know. We had a out of town wedding we went to. Then we did have a couple of folks, or at least one person cancel it. We're going to reschedule. She's from Australia. I was very excited. So I think she's rescheduling for November. So she actually came down with the flu. So we have had, I think a week and a half or maybe two weeks where we haven't had a record recorded an episode, maybe a week and a half, which has been a trip for us because we record every week nonstop. So that's been a bit of a break. But now we're, and then we got involved with the save focus. So well, yeah, I was just going to say we had other topics, but I think this is important. I can see us doing, we'll probably throw some more episodes out on this topic. I think we'll see how things evolve. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we'll see what happens. And this may be something that we touch on again, a little mini episode, just to update anyone who's interested. If there's some local folks that are part of the save Boca that, you know, maybe when they come on and they talk and provide more factual information and, you know, that kind of speak to it better. Yeah. Anyone local out there, if you do would like to come on, please reach out to us. Go to our website, genexadulting.com. There is a form on there to contact us and we do receive those and, and almost daily we receive those. So reach out

come on, please reach out to us. Go to our website, genexadulting.com. There is a form on there to contact us and we do receive those and, and almost daily we receive those. So reach out to us if you are interested and you can speak on this topic much better than we can. Cause this was obviously all of our opinion. Pretty much. Please reach out to us and we would like to have you on. I think it's opinion and wisdom in this show before. That's true. That's it. We're old enough now. We can speak to that. So exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, again, we'll, uh, we'll keep everyone up to date. Uh, we're back to recording with guests this week and, um, we will see you next time. Bye.